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"John Smith" wrote:

Should sea cocks (under the water line) be ball valves or gate valves?

Another vote to remove all gate valves immediately. Yours will be old
enough that you don't know when they're going to break (or if they've
broken already). I'd be SO worried, I'd haul the boat just do do that
job.

BTW, often it's lots faster to cut old gate valves off than try to
unscrew them. A friend's set of railroad socket wrenches and a 6'
breaker bar with two beefy guys couldn't unscrew ours. A jig saw and
metal cutting blade got rid of it in 15 minutes.

Ball valves are the most usual type you find in marine stores. They come
with or with flanges. For below the waterline in locations exposed to
knocks or stepping on, I prefer the flanged type. Though others say they
don't mate properly with through hulls, the ones I've gotten had plenty
of threads in contact. [Seemed to take forever to screw them on!]

I would prefer proper sea cocks -- the tapered plug type -- but our ball
valves have worked well for just about a decade, so I'm not going to
worry about it.

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I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the
handle/valve, and, perhaps, a spring to hold it firmly down? - but that was
not the deal. I presume from reading the various chatter on the topic that
perhaps it (taper) refers to the threads at the bottom of the
valve/thru-hull?

In any event, I'm not the least bit sure how they're better than ball
valves, as that's what they look like. Those of you familiar with the
benefits of the type over a ball, what is their superiority?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
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I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the

Your visions were correct. A plug valve has a tappered plug, just as you
discribe here..

If you are looking as something that resembles a ball valve then your not
looking at a true plug valve.

I have been boating for 45 yrs and all of my boats until 10 years ago had
tapered plug seacocks. (my last boat being a '76 Cheoy Lee Clipper 33) This
boat had 'knock off' tapered plug valves. That was the standard and the
proper valve or sea cock in boats built up into the '70s.

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..

I'll do some Googling on my own.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:03:52 -0800, "Steve" wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

Thanks, Steve...that's interesting...I still like my ball valves,
though, but in some inaccessible places, these could be good.

R.

That's basically it.

Here's the real deal:
http://spartanmarine.com/source/25.htm

Eric

"Steve" wrote in message ...
"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:03:52 -0800, "Steve" wrote:


"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

Thanks, Steve...that's interesting...I still like my ball valves,
though, but in some inaccessible places, these could be good.

R.

That's basically it.

Here's the real deal:
http://spartanmarine.com/source/25.htm

Eric

"Steve" wrote in message ...
"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:48:55 -0800, "Steve" wrote:


"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the

Your visions were correct. A plug valve has a tappered plug, just as you
discribe here..

If you are looking as something that resembles a ball valve then your not
looking at a true plug valve.

I have been boating for 45 yrs and all of my boats until 10 years ago had
tapered plug seacocks. (my last boat being a '76 Cheoy Lee Clipper 33) This
boat had 'knock off' tapered plug valves. That was the standard and the
proper valve or sea cock in boats built up into the '70s.

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..

You may see what you are looking for at

http://spartanmarine.com/ and click on "seacocks". That is what I
have on my boat, but I'll be honest. These things, while heavy and
stout, do tend to want to stick if not opened and closed regularly. I
am not sure I wouldn't prefer ball valves or the Forespar marelon, but
I am still pondering. My current disgruntlement probably brought on
by the fact that two of mine are now stuck in the open position, which
doesn't make me happy at all as my boat is in the water over the
winter. Something I have to take care of ASAP.



I'll do some Googling on my own.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions