That's basically it.

Here's the real deal:
http://spartanmarine.com/source/25.htm

Eric

"Steve" wrote in message ...
"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Steve" wrote in message
...

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..


OK, here is the best I could do with a quick Google. It is a commercial
TAPERED PLUG VALVE.
http://www.conind.com/pdf/plug%20valve.pdf

It's not a sea cock but it is a tapered plug valve and has straight threads
on the inlet side and standard pipe threads on the outlet side. In this
valve the plug could be removed and the plug lapped/overhauled without
removing the valve from the system.. With a plug in the through hull, it
could be serviced in the water. (I've done this many times) You could never
do this with a ball valve since the ball can not be easily removed and if it
is, there is no way to resurface the ball surface if scored.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:48:55 -0800, "Steve" wrote:


"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the

Your visions were correct. A plug valve has a tappered plug, just as you
discribe here..

If you are looking as something that resembles a ball valve then your not
looking at a true plug valve.

I have been boating for 45 yrs and all of my boats until 10 years ago had
tapered plug seacocks. (my last boat being a '76 Cheoy Lee Clipper 33) This
boat had 'knock off' tapered plug valves. That was the standard and the
proper valve or sea cock in boats built up into the '70s.

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..

You may see what you are looking for at

http://spartanmarine.com/ and click on "seacocks". That is what I
have on my boat, but I'll be honest. These things, while heavy and
stout, do tend to want to stick if not opened and closed regularly. I
am not sure I wouldn't prefer ball valves or the Forespar marelon, but
I am still pondering. My current disgruntlement probably brought on
by the fact that two of mine are now stuck in the open position, which
doesn't make me happy at all as my boat is in the water over the
winter. Something I have to take care of ASAP.



I'll do some Googling on my own.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"felton" wrote in message
I am still pondering. My current disgruntlement probably brought on
by the fact that two of mine are now stuck in the open position, which
doesn't make me happy at all as my boat is in the water over the
winter. Something I have to take care of ASAP.



Shame on you Felton. You should have been cycling those sea cocks every time
you used the boat or at least once a month.. Even the Forspar Marelon valves
have a tag on the handle recommending that they be cylcled monthly and
lubricated annually.

However, I'm afraid I'm guilty of this same neglect.

You should be able to free these valves by loosing the nut on the bottom of
the plug, tap it with a soft hammer (or hammer on a block of wood). Since
the plug is tappered it should come loose from the seat and rotate.. After
operating it though a number of cycles, adjust the nut just enough to
lightly hold the plug in place.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"felton" wrote in message
I am still pondering. My current disgruntlement probably brought on
by the fact that two of mine are now stuck in the open position, which
doesn't make me happy at all as my boat is in the water over the
winter. Something I have to take care of ASAP.



Shame on you Felton. You should have been cycling those sea cocks every time
you used the boat or at least once a month.. Even the Forspar Marelon valves
have a tag on the handle recommending that they be cylcled monthly and
lubricated annually.

However, I'm afraid I'm guilty of this same neglect.

You should be able to free these valves by loosing the nut on the bottom of
the plug, tap it with a soft hammer (or hammer on a block of wood). Since
the plug is tappered it should come loose from the seat and rotate.. After
operating it though a number of cycles, adjust the nut just enough to
lightly hold the plug in place.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:48:55 -0800, "Steve" wrote:


"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the

Your visions were correct. A plug valve has a tappered plug, just as you
discribe here..

If you are looking as something that resembles a ball valve then your not
looking at a true plug valve.

I have been boating for 45 yrs and all of my boats until 10 years ago had
tapered plug seacocks. (my last boat being a '76 Cheoy Lee Clipper 33) This
boat had 'knock off' tapered plug valves. That was the standard and the
proper valve or sea cock in boats built up into the '70s.

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..

You may see what you are looking for at

http://spartanmarine.com/ and click on "seacocks". That is what I
have on my boat, but I'll be honest. These things, while heavy and
stout, do tend to want to stick if not opened and closed regularly. I
am not sure I wouldn't prefer ball valves or the Forespar marelon, but
I am still pondering. My current disgruntlement probably brought on
by the fact that two of mine are now stuck in the open position, which
doesn't make me happy at all as my boat is in the water over the
winter. Something I have to take care of ASAP.



I'll do some Googling on my own.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the

Your visions were correct. A plug valve has a tappered plug, just as you
discribe here..

If you are looking as something that resembles a ball valve then your not
looking at a true plug valve.

I have been boating for 45 yrs and all of my boats until 10 years ago had
tapered plug seacocks. (my last boat being a '76 Cheoy Lee Clipper 33) This
boat had 'knock off' tapered plug valves. That was the standard and the
proper valve or sea cock in boats built up into the '70s.

I just wish I had a good online reference to what a proper tapered plug
valve looks like..

I'll do some Googling on my own.

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

I personally don't think they are as good. I replaced three on my boat with
Groco seacocks. You are correct about the plug valves working like the
valves on titration tubes. You would turn the rubber plug to the position
then tighten a screw on the other side which would smush the rubber plug
inside the housing, locking it in place. They had to be taken apart annually
or so and cleaned and lubed. When you tighten them up, the rubber squeezes
up into the openings, especially in the closed position. You don't have any
of these problems with ball valve seacocks, which are usually ss on Teflon
seats.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the
handle/valve, and, perhaps, a spring to hold it firmly down? - but that
was
not the deal. I presume from reading the various chatter on the topic
that
perhaps it (taper) refers to the threads at the bottom of the
valve/thru-hull?

In any event, I'm not the least bit sure how they're better than ball
valves, as that's what they look like. Those of you familiar with the
benefits of the type over a ball, what is their superiority?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and
one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

Thanks to all posters. As with all the simple questions, there is a range
of answers available. These newsgroups are great. Thanks again

"Keith" wrote in message
...
I personally don't think they are as good. I replaced three on my boat
with
Groco seacocks. You are correct about the plug valves working like the
valves on titration tubes. You would turn the rubber plug to the position
then tighten a screw on the other side which would smush the rubber plug
inside the housing, locking it in place. They had to be taken apart
annually
or so and cleaned and lubed. When you tighten them up, the rubber squeezes
up into the openings, especially in the closed position. You don't have
any
of these problems with ball valve seacocks, which are usually ss on Teflon
seats.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked
about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the
handle/valve, and, perhaps, a spring to hold it firmly down? - but that
was
not the deal. I presume from reading the various chatter on the topic
that
perhaps it (taper) refers to the threads at the bottom of the
valve/thru-hull?

In any event, I'm not the least bit sure how they're better than ball
valves, as that's what they look like. Those of you familiar with the
benefits of the type over a ball, what is their superiority?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you
are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and
one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be
greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin

Thanks to all posters. As with all the simple questions, there is a range
of answers available. These newsgroups are great. Thanks again

"Keith" wrote in message
...
I personally don't think they are as good. I replaced three on my boat
with
Groco seacocks. You are correct about the plug valves working like the
valves on titration tubes. You would turn the rubber plug to the position
then tighten a screw on the other side which would smush the rubber plug
inside the housing, locking it in place. They had to be taken apart
annually
or so and cleaned and lubed. When you tighten them up, the rubber squeezes
up into the openings, especially in the closed position. You don't have
any
of these problems with ball valve seacocks, which are usually ss on Teflon
seats.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm a bit confused, apparently, by semantics or my limited exposure...

I hadn't heard of plug valves, so I went looking. What I saw looked
about
like every ball valve on the insides - except none had easily
position-noted
lever handles on the outsides.

A tapered plug valve led to visions of the kind of valves I used in
titration in school - a tapered seat with a matching taper on the
handle/valve, and, perhaps, a spring to hold it firmly down? - but that
was
not the deal. I presume from reading the various chatter on the topic
that
perhaps it (taper) refers to the threads at the bottom of the
valve/thru-hull?

In any event, I'm not the least bit sure how they're better than ball
valves, as that's what they look like. Those of you familiar with the
benefits of the type over a ball, what is their superiority?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a clear
night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize that you
are
quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to you that in the
general scheme of things you are merely an insignificant speck on the
surface of the ocean; and are not nearly so important or as
self-sufficient
as you thought you were. Which is an exceedingly wholesome thought, and
one
that may effect a permanent change in your deportment that will be
greatly
appreciated by your friends."- James S. Pitkin