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On Aug 1, 4:26 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
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"Paul Cassel" wrote in message

There are some things that people do like climbing a mountain, or
cruising far offshore or scuba diving where it's reasonable to expect
they will be out of touch with civilization.

Sorry to tell yo but only girly men use tanks (as in sports scuba).
The only manly path to the under world is Free Diving. Just water,
god, and the air in your lungs..... I also prefer to drink alone and
eat my fish raw. Argggg! But let me tell ya right now. Hve a new epirb
and going to get an Irridium phone. Hell, it use to be $10 bucks a
min. Ive seen poor saps whine a pay check away ytalkig to their
girlfriends at sea. Sad..............
Basalt Bob


AGREED! Men who spend a lot of time on the phone are girly-men! The
only legitimate use for telephone when used by men is for business
purposes. A man gossiping on the telephone is no man...

Wilbur Hubbard




Does anybody really know what it means to cruise or voyage anymore?

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On 2007-08-02 00:16:16 -0400, Bob said:

Sorry to tell yo but only girly men use tanks (as in sports scuba). The
only manly path to the under world is Free Diving. Just water, god, and
the air in your lungs..... I also prefer to drink alone and eat my fish
raw. Argggg! But let me tell ya right now. Hve a new epirb and going to
get an Irridium phone. Hell, it use to be $10 bucks a min. Ive seen
poor saps whine a pay check away ytalkig to their girlfriends at sea.
Sad..............
Basalt Bob

Agree with most everything except the drinking alone. Much more fun
with a lovely lady by your side, or better ;-)

How much IS Iridium these days?

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Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I'm not bitter I'm just fed up with the way people don't seem to be able
to prioritize these days. Why is it that fully half the people you see
walking down a sidewalk or shopping in a store or eating in a restaurant
or driving their automobile are having cell phone conversations. It's
not necessary to be doing so and it's dangerous and most of the time
it's rude.

If you're off cruising then enjoy cruising. If you can't enjoy an
activity without having to be talking on the phone 24/7 about it then
why are you really doing it? So, somebody is "anxious" about your
situation. Too bad! It's their way of thinking and their negativism.
Maybe if they weren't catered to 24/7 they might have a chance to
develop a more mature and realistic attitude. I was always taught that
no news is good news. I have found that old adage to be very accurate.

There are some things that people do like climbing a mountain, or
cruising far offshore or scuba diving where it's reasonable to expect
they will be out of touch with civilization. What makes people think
they are so important that everybody in the world must have instant
access to them and they to the world? Is it an ego problem or is it just
a bad habit? I think it's some of both.

Family and friends should allow a man some space and some freedom
without making him feel guilty about having to constantly keep in touch.
Having keeping in touch as a priority when you're way out on the ocean
somewhere cruising getting away from it all seems an unnecessary burden
to all parties concerned. How can anybody get away from it all while
taking it all with them?

Does anybody really know what it means to cruise or voyage anymore?


No argument except I think you are taking this to an extreme. I lived
aboard and sailed for 6 years with nothing at all in communications. I
didn't even have a VHF 'ship to shore'. That was ok.

I used to joke with my (now late) wife that those guys who had CB's were
hoping to get the traffic reports from truckers - or why else did they
have them? I thought it silly.

However, today we have new tech. If I were to sail again far offshore
like I did singlehanded in 2002-2003, I'd like to be able to call my
daughter and tell her things were ok with me. She was very anxious with
me offshore last time. I call to make myself feel better about her
anxiety at my being offshore. It's not like a 14 year old girl can 'give
me space' or I should expect it from her.

This does not mean that I'd be chatting continually with her or anybody
or that I'd scream for help if a seacock developed a seep. In fact, I
don't see rescue at sea as something which would occur no matter what
electronics I have. I don't see the Navy or whatever having enough
interest in me to do anything.

Being on a cruise and continually chatting with folks on shore about
what their TV stars are up to is one thing. Just being able to call my
daughter, if I see fit to, once a week or so, is another thing.

Can't you see there is a distinction?

-paul

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
. ..
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:


I'm not bitter I'm just fed up with the way people don't seem to be
able to prioritize these days. Why is it that fully half the people
you see walking down a sidewalk or shopping in a store or eating in a
restaurant or driving their automobile are having cell phone
conversations. It's not necessary to be doing so and it's dangerous
and most of the time it's rude.

If you're off cruising then enjoy cruising. If you can't enjoy an
activity without having to be talking on the phone 24/7 about it then
why are you really doing it? So, somebody is "anxious" about your
situation. Too bad! It's their way of thinking and their negativism.
Maybe if they weren't catered to 24/7 they might have a chance to
develop a more mature and realistic attitude. I was always taught
that no news is good news. I have found that old adage to be very
accurate.

There are some things that people do like climbing a mountain, or
cruising far offshore or scuba diving where it's reasonable to expect
they will be out of touch with civilization. What makes people think
they are so important that everybody in the world must have instant
access to them and they to the world? Is it an ego problem or is it
just a bad habit? I think it's some of both.

Family and friends should allow a man some space and some freedom
without making him feel guilty about having to constantly keep in
touch. Having keeping in touch as a priority when you're way out on
the ocean somewhere cruising getting away from it all seems an
unnecessary burden to all parties concerned. How can anybody get away
from it all while taking it all with them?

Does anybody really know what it means to cruise or voyage anymore?


No argument except I think you are taking this to an extreme. I lived
aboard and sailed for 6 years with nothing at all in communications. I
didn't even have a VHF 'ship to shore'. That was ok.

I used to joke with my (now late) wife that those guys who had CB's
were hoping to get the traffic reports from truckers - or why else did
they have them? I thought it silly.

However, today we have new tech. If I were to sail again far offshore
like I did singlehanded in 2002-2003, I'd like to be able to call my
daughter and tell her things were ok with me. She was very anxious
with me offshore last time. I call to make myself feel better about
her anxiety at my being offshore. It's not like a 14 year old girl can
'give me space' or I should expect it from her.

This does not mean that I'd be chatting continually with her or
anybody or that I'd scream for help if a seacock developed a seep. In
fact, I don't see rescue at sea as something which would occur no
matter what electronics I have. I don't see the Navy or whatever
having enough interest in me to do anything.

Being on a cruise and continually chatting with folks on shore about
what their TV stars are up to is one thing. Just being able to call my
daughter, if I see fit to, once a week or so, is another thing.

Can't you see there is a distinction?

-paul

I can't see the distinction. In my opinion, my relatives just have to
accept the fact that I'll be out of touch. I will not enable them to be
worrywarts every time they don't get a daily or weekly telephone call.
That's not the real world and my relatives must accept the fact I live
in the real world even if they choose to live in a technological fantasy
land.

Just once, I'd like to hear another man saying something like this: "I
call my (relative or loved ones) more because it makes ME feel more
secure and necessary than because it makes them less anxious."

Go ahead, be honest. Admit you're doing it mostly for YOU. Don't try to
beat around the bush and couch it in terms of easing somebody else's
mind. That's a cop-out and you know it.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Paul Cassel" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real cruisers,
please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of sissies. Spend
the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting your mouth for a
week or a month. You might learn something for the first time in your
life.

Why are you so bitter? When hundreds of miles off shore, I could have
liked to talk to my daughter who was anxious about my safety as I was
singlehanding a rather large sailboat. It would have been something to
make her feel better.

I tried calling her on my EPIRB but the thing just blinked at me.

-paul


He's a bitter, angry guy. He has no life, no money, and he certainly
couldn't afford a sat phone.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

"Rusty" blank wrote in message
. ..
I think it's time to get an Iridium satellite phone. We're gong to
have way
too much time away from cell sites.

Any suggestions as to a cruiser-friendly source of hardware and airtime?

Thanks,
Rusty


It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real
cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of
sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting
your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something for the
first time in your life.

Wilbur Hubbard

Folks,

Don't feed the troll. Clearly this guy isn't worth your time.

Just kill file him or filter him out.

Evan

First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint. What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another. Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!

Thanks
Rusty

On Aug 2, 11:08 am, "Rusty" blank wrote:
First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint.


TO do that interpersonal communication is needed and leads many times
on one concept: Uncertanty Reduction.
Whech means you get to know about the oter person. ANd many times my
worse fewrs are confirmed......... they are idots and girly men.

What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another.

There ur wrong. There are crtain things that are simply dangerous or
wrong. your staring to sound like a cultural antropologist.

Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!


Regarding who is the most qualified to sail.........................
unless some one here can step up and show me their OICNW indorsment on
their 500 ton license id say we are all rather luberly. Me included.
But mabe in another 360 days of deck service and 21 weeks of class.

Bob


Thanks
Rusty

"Bob" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Aug 2, 11:08 am, "Rusty" blank wrote:
First of all, thanks to Tom for his response to my question.

Second, empathy is a human quality that allows one to place
themselves in
anothers shoes and try to understand their viewpoint.


TO do that interpersonal communication is needed and leads many times
on one concept: Uncertanty Reduction.
Whech means you get to know about the oter person. ANd many times my
worse fewrs are confirmed......... they are idots and girly men.

What is 'Right' for
one person is not the same as it is for another.

There ur wrong. There are crtain things that are simply dangerous or
wrong. your staring to sound like a cultural antropologist.

Those with the human
quality of empathy understand that. I must conclude Wilbur is
something less
than human.

Third. This sure is entertaining!


Regarding who is the most qualified to sail.........................
unless some one here can step up and show me their OICNW indorsment on
their 500 ton license id say we are all rather luberly. Me included.
But mabe in another 360 days of deck service and 21 weeks of class.

Bob


Thanks
Rusty


How about a Master Mariner license instead?

http://captneal.homestead.com/files/mastermariner.jpg

I'd say that says it all . . . My mentor, the World Famous Captain Neal.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:48:32 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Rusty" blank wrote in message
...
I think it's time to get an Iridium satellite phone. We're gong to have
way
too much time away from cell sites.

Any suggestions as to a cruiser-friendly source of hardware and
airtime?

Thanks,
Rusty


It's my observation that people who have to have a phone so they can
blabbermouth 24/7 while out cruising should just stay home. If you need
to be plugged in to the communications grid 24/7 you're not cut out for
cruising - just stay home and leave the waterways open for real
cruisers, please. Today's men are turning into girly men. Bunch of
sissies. Spend the money on a EPIRB instead. Cruise and try shutting
your mouth for a week or a month. You might learn something for the
first time in your life.

Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur,

While I realize that weather is of little interest to you on your
trailer-sailer anchored in your snug little Bayou but to people out
there on the water it is one of their primary concerns and there are
three basic ways to get weather reports once you're out of sight of
land (1) H.F. radio, (2) Iridium phone or (3) satellite (immersat, for
example).

I've done cost comparisons and going from nothing to a complete
installation is cheaper using Iridium so more and more cruisers are
opting for Iridium as weather reports through Iridium can be received
24 hours a day while H.F. is greatly dependent upon daily propagation
variations.

As you say, " try shutting your mouth for a week or a month. You might
learn something for the first time in your life."

..








Bruce in Bangkok
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