On Jul 28, 4:55 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I don't think it's original and I've never seen any water. What I need is
to find instructions or specs for one of these filters. I tried Google but,
no luck.

--
Roger Long

Bought by parker, but I would imagine they have old flow charts
around, drop a dime.

Racor
3400 Finch Road
Modesto, CA 95354

Telephone: 209-521-7860
Fax: 209-575-7614
e-Mail:

If you use any of the standard fuel treatments, and if they work, you
shouldn't see water, as they all contain emulsifiers.

You are over-obsessing; forget all filters, go sailing.


On Jul 28, 2:55 pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I don't think it's original and I've never seen any water. What I need is
to find instructions or specs for one of these filters. I tried Google but,
no luck.

--
Roger Long

On 2007-07-28 16:00:57 -0400, "Roger Long" said:

Interesting point about the proper flow to make the water separator
work. I wonder if this on is in the proper range at about 1 gallon per
hour.

Our yard put in the 500 for our similar engine. Remember that you
probably have more fuel flowing than what you're burning, most of it
circulating back to the tank.

If we didn't have that circulation, we'd *really* have a critter
problem, as we burn only about a third of a gallon per hour, about 10
gallons a year.

--
Jere Lull
Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Our BVI pages: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

An interesting thing about the Yanmar 2QM series is that there is no return
line back to the tank. Evidently, the injector bypass just circulates back
as far as the injector pump on the engine. It is an unusually cool running
engine for a diesel so maybe that helps avoid the fuel getting too hot.
Flow through the filter is whatever fuel consumption is.
Just out of curiosity, I'm going to look at recommended flow rates on some
separator filters but I'll be surprised if any
go as low as 1 gph. It's appears to be a centrifugal process judging by the
spiral grooves I see on some of the filter housings so it must take a
reasonable flow. Just out of curiosity, I'm going to look at recommended
flow rates on some separator filters but I'll be surprised if any go that
low.

Chris had a good point, now that I'm putting an emulsifier
(StarTron/Soltron) in the fuel, The water isn't going to separate out
anyway.

--
Roger Long

wrote


You are over-obsessing.....

Isn't that what this group is for?

--
Roger Long

Hmm, no minumum flow rates indicated on the Racor site specifications page
for water separator filters.

--
Roger Long

On Jul 29, 4:55 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
An interesting thing about the Yanmar 2QM series is that there is no return
line back to the tank. Evidently, the injector bypass just circulates back
as far as the injector pump on the engine. It is an unusually cool running
engine for a diesel so maybe that helps avoid the fuel getting too hot.
Flow through the filter is whatever fuel consumption is.
Just out of curiosity, I'm going to look at recommended flow rates on some
separator filters but I'll be surprised if any
go as low as 1 gph. It's appears to be a centrifugal process judging by the
spiral grooves I see on some of the filter housings so it must take a
reasonable flow. Just out of curiosity, I'm going to look at recommended
flow rates on some separator filters but I'll be surprised if any go that
low.

Chris had a good point, now that I'm putting an emulsifier
(StarTron/Soltron) in the fuel, The water isn't going to separate out
anyway.

--
Roger Long

Quick Question: Just where oh where is the water going to go to?
Emulsified out of existance?

I'm getting into your fuel problem a bit late Roger, whats up?
You got alge problems?

How long has the fuel been on your boat?
How many gallons do your tanks hold?
What are your tanks made of ?
Do you have access through an inspection plate?
Tanks baffled?


In the USA the major source of water in your fuel is condensation of
the moisture in the air in the tank, collection on the tank top then
dripping into the fuel. Best way to keep moisture out with the boat
sitting most the time is to keep your tanks pressed full.

Alge killers present thier own problems and none do a proper job IMO.
Your options are to slosh out the alge and buy filters by the case
until it's all gone, or clean the tank. Once I picked up a 120'
crewboat that had been in Mexico for 3 years and had the worst alge
problem in a fuel tank that ever existed, so bad the water traps would
not drain due to getting clogged with alge, had to poke the drain
spigots with a hanger wire to break the crap up to drain the water. We
used up a couple grand in filters before we got it cleaned up, we
burned 180 GPH, with a 4000 gallon tankage. The boat had aluminum
tanks that were the deck in the passenger area that was always kept
cold, the boat rocking and sloshing allowed the tanks to breath in and
out moist air all the time, creating massive amounts of water due to
condensing on the tank tops.

So what's it like to go that deep under the ocean?

Joe

On Jul 29, 5:17 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Hmm, no minumum flow rates indicated on the Racor site specifications page
for water separator filters.

--
Roger Long

I found info on the larger units Roger, but I feel you are going to
have to call Parker/Racor and ask an application engineer for the info
on the older systems.
I'd be interested myself to the flow ratings on the old 2000 filter
housings.

V -- How to Order
The example below illustrates how part numbers are constructed.
1000MA M P 2
Specify Model
(see chart below):
500MA1
900MA2
1000MA2
75500MAX1
75900MAX3
751000MAX3
731000MA4
771000MA5
791000MAV4
Add M for a metal bowl
instead of the standard
see--thru polymer bowl.
(Omit if not desired)
Add P for a water
sensor probe6
(Omit if not desired)
Add a micron rating:
2, 10, or 30
(The smaller the
number in micron rating,
the more contaminates
the filter will take out of
the fuel. A 2 micron
filter will take out more
contaminates than a 10
micron filter will.)
Standard fuel ports a 1 3/4"--16 UNF (SAE J1926), 2 7/8"--14 UNF
(SAE J1926), 3 7/8"--14 UNF (SAE
J514), 4 3/4"--14 NPT (SAE J476) and 5 1" NPT (SAE J476). 6 Must be
used withWater DetectionModule.
Fittings are available from Racor -- call technical support at
800.344.3286 for assistance.
Single
Duplex
Triplex
With Isolation Valves
Without Isolation Valves
75500MAX (60 GPH with one unit
on--line, 120 GPH with both units on--line)
500MA (60 GPH)
900MA (90 GPH)
1000MA (180 GPH)
731000MA (360 GPH)
75900MAX (90 GPH with one unit
on--line, 180 GPH with both units on--line)
751000MAX (180 GPH with one unit
on--line, 360 GPH with both units on--line)
With Isolation Valves
Without Isolation Valves
771000MA (540 GPH)
791000MAV (180 GPH with one unit
on--line, 360 GPH with two units on--line
and 540 GPH with three.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 07:20:07 -0700, Joe
wrote:


Quick Question: Just where oh where is the water going to go to?
Emulsified out of existance?
....
Joe

Quick Answer: Into the combustion chamber with the fuel, where it
contributes.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK

"Joe" wrote
Quick Question: Just where oh where is the water going to go to?
Emulsified out of existance?

It will go through the engine. If the surfacant can distribute it finely
enough through the fuel, it will just vaporize in the combustion process
with a slight loss of performance and maybe some additional wear on the
injectors. It' s when it's rolling around in slugs that go down the fuel
line so that the engine tries to run on nearly pure water for short periods
that you have a big trouble.


I'm getting into your fuel problem a bit late Roger, whats up?
You got alge problems?

I haven't had any problems but am just trying to head them off.

The boat was stored hauled out with fuel in it for six years before I bought
it and everything had turned to jelly. The PO paid to have it all cleaned
out and the tank polished. I than ran it for two and a half seasons without
giving it a thought. The sediment bowl remained crystal clear until a few
weeks ago when I spotted just a few specks of alge and realized it was time
to start being proactive. The engine missed about three beats around this
time (which prompted the look at the filter) when the tank was down to about
minimum.

I put in the StarTron and the sediment bowl turned immediately solid green,
as it should. I changed the filters and the engine continues to purr.

I find myself often motoring along close to sheer cliffs since looking at
the shorline and wildlife is a major crusing objective for me. I'm planning
to do this in Newfoundland after the current research vessel project is
finished so I'm starting to really take an interest in the subject of
keeping engines running. I've previously had a fairly casual attitude
because I have those dacron "take home" engines up on the spars.

My fuel tank is quite high in the hull and far from the cold hull surface so
I probably don't get any significant condensation. It's not generally a big
problem in this climate anyway and fuel quality is pretty good.

--
Roger Long