On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

I used to race one 20 years ago. Downwind with the spinnaker up in heavy air
was quite exciting to put it mildly. We were usually barely in control or
totally out of control most of the time.

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On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob

* Bob wrote, On 6/13/2007 2:18 PM:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.
They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two

we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Actually I was making a lame joke, but what you said sounds like fun, too!

On Jun 14, 2:18 am, Bob wrote:
They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.

Hello to Jeff and ClubCo:

First a comment to Jeff...........

Are you supporting a peer reviewed forum where anybody can chew at a
post and all responses are considered in an effort to bring ALL
aspects of a problem to light and debate???? Doesnt that run counter
to Group Think?

Good on mate! I agree wit u Jeff belief !

Now, back to ClubCo's Ericson 39 information request......
I dont want to start a name calling ****ing match that typically
starts in sailing.asa. So please read for the writer's intent here.

The reason I asked about the E39s basic scantlings and your physical
condition is that the two are inter dependent. You asked if that boat
was easonable to take you and your wife across the world. If you are
in a wheel chair I would recomend a 4 week tour package with a
skippered charter inbetwen the tour bus adventures. Now if you and
your spouse can actually run four 10 min miles and do 20 push ups your
options of boats just increased dramatically.

But you seemed not able to make that implied assocation in my original
post. So what does that mean?

SOmething to consider............. Donna Lang just finished a solo
round the world trip in a 26' somthing, or was it 28'?

She flurished when other boater's trips perished in the same weather.
Now, why do you think that was possible?

My question to you ClubCo is do you have the same sized balls as an
old granny? SOme say the E39 is a handfull. After looking at some of
the specs fo rthe 70s boats Id say they were designed for a lot of fun/
daysailing/sorta racing within 3 miles of shore. But then again there
was the Ra and the Kontiki and various other rafts, rowboats, and
barrels that seemed to do just fine.

Personally, think westsail 32. NOw there is a boat that will get you
there. I checed one of the webn broakers: 21 wre listed from $30K-
$90K "...Oh, [insert whine] there isnt enough tankage for my daily
showers... and its just too small...." Then I suggest you look to
Carnaval Cruise Inc.

Bob


Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"? Please...
I understand your questions and I understand that health and phisical
strenth are important, but let that be my worries... I was really
asking for some experience with this particular boat. I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's. It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read), so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ).
But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.
Best
Petr

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:33:22 -0000, klubko
wrote:

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,
but it seems little too small for our purposes.

You might be surprised. The WetSnail 32 is a big heavy boat for its
length, not known for its speed of course, but a far better choice for
world cruising than an Ericson 39.

The Ericson 39 was a decent boat in its day but was primarily designed
as a coastal racer/cruiser.

Bob,
any particular reason to change my login name to "clubco"?

Not really...

Please...
I know my
limits, but I didnt know the boat's.

ANd that is what I was getting to. We can look at the specs on the net
or go watch one at a marina or the water. But the marrage/fit between:
boat - operator(s) - intended use - area of operation are 2/3 in your
hands. So anyone's advice is signifacanlty biased. Just my attempt to
get a feel for who you are........

My personal preferences, based on my physial abilty, area of operation
bla bla.... would be a Westsnail 32 with out a doubt. There was a time
in my life I lusted over a 20' fiberglass Flicka. Was going to go
around the world. But poverty prevented that idea. Now I have a Freya
39. Lovely boat for what I do and plan on doing next summer.

So be very catuious about asking for opinion here. Someone will likely
recomend a Mac 26 for world cruising.

It is quite clear that you know
nothing about it (apart from you've heard/read),

Not to far off. I have walked all over a 70s 34'-36 Eric for a few
years and been inside oneone a couple times. even been under one while
it sat in the water. I assume its bigger sister is about the same: A
very nice coastal cruiser needing a port if it your in a Beaurfort 6
http://ioc.unesco.org/oceanteacher/O...t/SeaState.htm


so perhaps your time
would be better invested on some other posts or go sailing (no offence
meant ).

Ya, most liklely true. But just really board right now. My house will
be for sale this month and the realtor said paint the bare wood. I
hate painting, well actually the preasure wash, scrap, sand, prime bal
bla.
After the house sells I wont be such a bother. Then I get to fininsh a
couple boat projects then head west

But thanks for the Westsail 32 suggestion, we will give it a thought,

Please do............. They are a very easy boat to ride for their
size and EXTREAMLY stout. The only thing I dont like is that big sprit
on the bow. Same for the Ingrid and Alajuela. That is why I got the
Freya. No 10 foot railroad tie bolted to the bow. I've sailed, crewed,
and spent about a month total time just yaking on three diffrent ones.
very nice boats.....

Go here for some accurate advice about crusing boats.

http://www.mahina.com/boats.html

ANd please dont even get me started when some one calls them "slow" Ya
gat to ask, compared to what and will 2 knots really make that big a
deal?????? Oh, but you can out run a storm in a faster
boat............. Ha!


but it seems little too small for our purposes.

What ar eyour purposes. To sail some place or to live some place. the
two goals are in conflect. I fyou want a good live aboard get a 85' x
24 x 13 steel gulf shrimpper with a 540 HP CAT 3412. Now that is a
liveaboard!!! they are going real cheep now. A steal at $120-150,000
But filling the 15,000 gal fuel tank is somthing else....$$ 45,000 for
a fill-up. Gasp.

Best

And best to you too. Just dont chew this one to the bone. Get a West
sail and go have some safe fun. When your wife doesnt like sailing she
will give you the, I hate sailing! Its that damn boat or me! I hope
you make the right choice. You'll have that much more room ! I
did.............. and it was the best choice I ever made

Best to you and your search.

Board Bob

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Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so I am
being very causcious here. But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32, but that it's
not really that slow... of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :
(
As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf. http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...cson+knockdown,
Guy Stevens' post.
We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything. As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click. I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either, but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr

On Jun 14, 12:13 am, klubko wrote:
Thanks for nice post (and thanks to Wayne too)
Actually the light wind performance seems to bother people so......

NOt sure what you mean hear. DO you mean that some people believe that
boats that perform well in light wind are suspect and should be
avoided?


But I have found some posts on sailnet.net
saying that it takes little practice to tack on WS32,

Predictable, stable are words I would use. With that much weight its
got good momentum to continue in a turn. That's why you got to drive
some light boats through a turn. I had a 15 sailing dory that simply
would not tack unless I hoped over to the future lee side at a very
specific time. Something about increased wetted area and drag caused
the tack. Actually in a good small boat (under 20') its possible to
sail it with out a rudder. Just use sail and movable ballast (body)
adjustments and tack away.

but that it's
not really that slow...


Fast and slow are extremely abstract, equivable, opinion language.
What is fast?
Is fast 25 K
14K is slow compared to 25k but fast compared to 6.5.
9.5K
6.5K
4.8K is just right if the 9.5 K boat can only do 3.5K in a the same
conditins where the 4.8 is designed to sustain a comphy ride.

Personally im there for the ride. Id rather lose 3-4 days on a leg and
gain a safe, steady, easy to handle trip.

of course another post saying: most of the
westsail 32 cruisers told me that they have to motor most of the time :

Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Yea, WS32 motor around. But when your offshore and its been blowing
20-35K with gusts to 45K for a week guess what boat will be a
joy....ur maybe less of a pain to sail? Its all about:
AREAS OF OPERATION. What are the sea conditions you'll spend 51% of
your time?

As for ericson 39's ability to handle heavy weather, there are few
salty stories showing that it's actually rather good boat (and also
good for breeze), cf.http://www.ericsonyachts.org/infoexc...p?t=3900&highl...,
Guy Stevens' post.

I would be very cautious reading a website dedicated to those who love
a boat. Also ask yourself, where is the majority of the poster's
sailing experience?

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

We still have a year or so before the actual purchase so we are still
quite open minded to anything.

Great ! ! ! I bought my latest boat in AUG 2001. I'll have my house
sold this summer. And then be, thank God, homeless and 100% sail.

Review that Cruising Boat list link from Mahina. There are lots of
really great boats that have "fallen between the cracks" and many are
listed on the Mahina link.


As for the use, I take back that
westsail 32 would be too small, I was too hasty to click.

Think volume...

I don't find
the double-ended boats much appealing either,

O M G now this is another great debate: Double End v. Others!
I actually read some idiot say that the only reason double enders were
built was because it was the only way you could bend wood into a boat
shape. I guess he forgot about scows/barges, garveys, dorys, etc
Double ended boats are an accceptable design. I have one.

Personally I think the reason double enders are seldom made if GRP now
days........... is they arent popular i.e. marketable. And its hard to
mold a swimming ladder and a cocktail bar to the stern on a double
ender.

Hummmm, I hear those two 19 yo college kids i have painting my house
moving the ladder. Gota go. Have fun with the search and remember:
People only know what they know and most are very willing to convince
you the same.

Board Bob................but soon

but I if I could get one
I wouldn't mind at all. Just cosmetics.
Thank
Petr

On Jun 14, 12:17 pm, Bob wrote:
Don't believe any thing you read here including my warped ideas of
boating.

Well said :{))

Here is a good exercise. Read Skip & Lydia's Great Adventure they
posted here. They took a 45' +/- a foot or so, boat and the wife drove
it on a FL reef. Why? They said they had experienced heavy seas that
caused all the problems that led to the grounding. Now look at the
weather reported both by Skip and NOAA. I think it was something like
12-15' seas and 20K wind.
Those numbers may be a bit off but the moral of their story was, they
were terrified and incapacitated by what we call around here a good
day for sailing. Just think Chicken Little.

LOL :{))

ROFL!


Sorry - I'm not really part of this discussion - but this caught my
eye.

If you're really interested, do, indeed, read of our adventures.
However, I doubt - aside from, perhaps, from some stone-casters who
seem to know more than others who were in the area - that you'll find
much resembling the above.

We were definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. Quite
comfortably sailing along in nasty, but not life-threatening,
conditions, nasty enough to cause departures of parts of the boat
which would otherwise remained in place if it weren't rather more than
20k. Hell, we sailed the boat for the first time, over 500 miles, in
wind that never went that (20k) low, with full 135 and main. 20k is
where she starts to come alive...

That we hit the rocks could have been avoided. Going into the weather
that NOAA neglected to mention didn't have to be any other than wet -
but it was definitely a mess, including that the Coast Guard helo
tried three different places before they could set down in it,
finally, and had put enough time on that they couldn't fly it home
before some service - and aside from that we took in the genny and
triple reefed the main, of no moment. Terror and Chicken Little were
in scant presence. It was just an adventure.

Woulda, coulda, and shoulda are of no use after the fact - so,
instead, we just went about rebuilding, and are about finished and
ready to shove off again. Are we likely to make the same mistakes
again? I don't think so. Stay tuned as to whether you agree...

Meanwhile, have fun deciding on your boat. It's a great time. We
took over two years to finalize on our type, after which we owned one
in very short order.

L8R

Skip

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