Bob wrote:
On Jun 10, 4:26 pm, Gordon wrote:
Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?
bob
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Hi Gordon:

Agreed...... lots of old feble, fat, fair, and over fifty people do
it. As I mentined even a blind pair went sailing past the west coast a
few months ago. But I gots to ask: If its such a good idea why does it
typically result in such a media splash? In other words, if its so
normal and common why such attention as if it is a news worth?????

Bob


I get your point but sailing today is easier than ever. Roller
furling, electric winches, GPS, Solar panels, satellite communications
etc etc. Sailing doesn't have to be physically challenging anymore.
Mentally is another story. Old timers disease won't cut it.
G

On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

Thanks

actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this
particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably
quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out,
what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for
tropics etc. Practical ideas.
Thanks
Petr

On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:09:53 -0000, klubko
wrote:

On Jun 11, 2:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

bob

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

Thanks

actually I was asking more about the actual experience with this
particular boat. I know that this is basically very good boat probably
quite suitable for what I have in mind, I am just trying to find out,
what problems problems people had with it. Like poor ventilation for
tropics etc. Practical ideas.
Thanks
Petr

If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore,
Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years.

Problems you are going to face a

Assuming you are at anchor:

All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening
the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos
and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount.

12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your
batteries down.

Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always
available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going
shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge.

On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a
generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you
need.

Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan
on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it.

Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not
enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat.

Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2
- 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time.

Assuming you are in a marina:

You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live
comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air.

Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap.

Visas:

If you are from N. America or the EU then:

Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration
regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there.
Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there.

Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is
possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations
and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption.

Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and
return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving
for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at
the level you will be operating at.

Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number
of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact
a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the
procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists
but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a
bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to
pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days.

Hope that helps a bit.







Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)

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On Jun 11, 1:48 am, Bruce wrote:

wrote:

If you want practical ideas, I've been living aboard in Singapore,
Malaysia and Thailand for the past 10 years.

Problems you are going to face a

Assuming you are at anchor:

All sail boats of the type you envision have poor ventilation. Opening
the forward hatch gets some air flow but also lets in the mosquitos
and screens cut down airflow by a surprising amount.

12 Volt fans don't move a lot of air but help. They also run your
batteries down.

Refrigeration. Either you are going to carry ice (not always
available) or you are going to have a fridge, or you are going
shopping everyday. I'd recommend a 12 VDC fridge.

On the type of boat you are thinking about there probably isn't a
generator set. A Honda, or Chinese made copy, will do everything you
need.

Water! Water is a problem. It is heavy and not always available. Plan
on lugging 20 Ltrs a day and learn how to sanitize it.

Renewable power. In SEA wind generators are of limited value - not
enough wind. Solar panels, on the other hand work a treat.

Getting back and forth to shore. You will need a dinghy and reliable 2
- 3 HP motor. Dinghys do get stolen from time to time.

Assuming you are in a marina:

You can have a window air con blowing down the front hatch and live
comfortable. Big 220 VAC fans move a lot of air.

Water no longer is a problem. Just turn on the tap.

Visas:

If you are from N. America or the EU then:

Indonesia is not very hospital with many and varied immigration
regulations. You need a cruising permit to take your boat there.
Bribery and Corruption is a way of life there.

Singapo Gives you a 2 week Seaman's Visa. Staying longer is
possible but complicated. Go to the Seaman's section of Immigrations
and they will give you exact instructions. No bribery or corruption.

Malaysia: 90 day visa after which you must leave the country and
return for a new 90 days. I lived there for more then a year leaving
for the day every three months. No problems. Very little bribery at
the level you will be operating at.

Thailand: 30 days upon entry which is renewable for a limited number
of months by leaving and returning. Complex visa regulations. Contact
a Thai Embassy BEFORE you arrive in Thailand will undoubtedly make the
procedure less complex. Bribery is a complex subject here. It exists
but can only help in some cases. If you have overstayed your visa a
bit of dosh might get you a day or so extension so you don;t have to
pay a fine but won;t get you another 30 days.

Hope that helps a bit.

Bruce in Bangkok
(brucepaigeatgmaildotcom)



Bruce, excellent post.

I have one question. With the bugs, heat, visitor/in-transit
requirments, why did you chose that area compared to any other spot in
the world?

Bob

On Jun 10, 11:32 pm, wrote:
On Jun 10, 1:57 pm, Bob wrote:

On Jun 8, 7:43 pm, klubko wrote:

what year?
how much does it weigh?
are you going to sail it there?
how old are you?
can you run four 10 minute miles?
can you do 25 push ups?
can you do five pull ups?

Now, if you don't even know how much the boat weighs, you are barely
in a position to give advice on any of the questions asked, are you?

To be honest I really don't pay much attention to Ericksons or Macs
for that matter. They just dont interest me. There is a 70s Ericson
two slips down that hasn't moved in 8 years. Beautiful interior.
That's all I know about them.

I also remember two blind people sailing through the Oregon coast last
year on some "vision quest." ANd heck even Skip & Lydia went sailing
too. There is a guy in an Oregon marina who lives on a 40 something
foot ketch so fat the term Morbidly Obese is more accurate. He is so
big he can not fit through any of hatches. He limits the times he goes
through the companion way door cause it takes about one minute plus to
squeeze through. He pretty much is exhausted just getting to the
cockpit. But "he sailed" it there a few years ago.

So go for it and if you have second thoughts about an Ericson get one
of those seaworthy built and mathematically qualified for "blue water"
boats like the Mac26. I hear a Mac 26 makes a GREAT sea boat capable
of ALL OCEANS travel! At least someone who cross posted here said it
could.

And with the Disability Act about to require Passenger Vessels and
charter boats have wheelchair access might as well get that Ericson
equipped with wheel chair ramps, brail on the DC load center and
electronics for the blind, and rewrite any manuals so the Dee-Dee-Dees
can understand it. Oh, and dont forget to take along three children
all under 4 yo, and two dogs cause they are just like members of our
family, and of course lavish all adults with an arrogant self centered
personality and liberal amounts of rum cause real sailors always drink
excessive amounts of rum.

That should make for a very capable and dependable crew. They
certainly have the right to go sailing around the world. And I support
their right fully to do so......................

Bob

On Jun 9, 12:43 pm, klubko wrote:
.... Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
...
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the common problems with these boats?
....

In case you haven't already looked this up:
http://www.ericsonyachts.org/mainframe.htm

There's quite a bit of discussions there by Ericson owners. The boat
registry page shows 17 owners of the 39. From what little I understand
Ericsons are genericly very good boats but, as I think you already
know, it depends on how an individual boat was built by a particular
builder and how she has been looked after thereafter, so knowing how
to select and inspect even before the surveyor stage is a must. Books
on these topics are very interesting.

Good luck. See you on the water somewhere some time.
--
Solo Thesailor
http://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com

On Jun 11, 7:05 pm, Solo Thesailor
wrote:
On Jun 9, 12:43 pm, klubko wrote:

.... Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
...
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the common problems with these boats?
....

In case you haven't already looked this up:http://www.ericsonyachts.org/mainframe.htm

There's quite a bit of discussions there by Ericson owners. The boat
registry page shows 17 owners of the 39. From what little I understand
Ericsons are genericly very good boats but, as I think you already
know, it depends on how an individual boat was built by a particular
builder and how she has been looked after thereafter, so knowing how
to select and inspect even before the surveyor stage is a must. Books
on these topics are very interesting.

Good luck. See you on the water somewhere some time.
--
Solo Thesailorhttp://sailingstoriesandtips.blogspot.com


Thanks a lot I hope it will be sooner than I think it will be

klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

On Jun 13, 9:31 am, Jim wrote:
klubko wrote:
Hi,
we are considering Ericson 39 for extensive liveaboard/cruising,
mostly (sub-)tropics, SE Asia, mostly on anchor, low budget, couple.
What's your experience? How does it handle heavy weather? What are the
common problems with these boats?
Thanks a lot
Petr

They are well built, heavy boats that have a decent interior.

They are squirly off the wind in a blow, and would be a handful with two
people at just about any time. Big sails, heavy loads, big heavy
everything.

A very nice boat that was fun to race 20 years ago. I'd buy something
smaller.

Thanks Jim,
we are also looking at smaller boats, just being little concerned
about the space, tankage etc.
Thanks a lot, we will think it through again
Petr