On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.
Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)
An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains...... the sten
squats..........the next wave blows your boards in........... the boat
floods......... electrics fry...... boat wallows ..........
blub........... blub............ blub............ Secon

Personally I have two 1 1/2" cockpit drains plus one 2 1/2" ID
drain........ a cockpit half your size on a 26,000 lb boat. As I said
earlier... and still feel ill prepared for cruising in the PNW.

THink your ready? Fill the cockpit with water to the top. See what
happens........... Now pull the plugs on the drains and time how long
it takes to drain. NOw compare the draiin time with the swell duration
youll incounter. 13 seconds for a nice 20' sea is not unreasonable.
Does your cockpit drain in time for that next wave hit?????????


Do not kid your self. Its a robust lake boat. Sure lots of people have
completed great voyage in less. I hear tale that people have even
sailed Nigra Falls in a barrel...... and survied.


It's a decently built coastal
cruiser,

Uh, which coast? Which season??????

Truck it. Have fun. Stay alive.

Bob wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions

but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.

Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.

Newport reported 108 mph gusts and a steady 80 mph. Just another one
of thoes pesky southern gales. About once EVERY winter we have a 100
mph + storm, several 60-80 mph storms, and a series of 50 k winds with
25' seas. Check out NOAA bouy reports for a full picture.

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.


The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Bob

It could definitely be done, and has been done, in an Islander 28. If
the boat is sound, the captain/crew skilled, and the weather window
selected judiciously there's no reason this can't be done.

On the other hand, it would not be the fastest or most comfortable trip
in an Islander 28.

--AG

In article ,
KLC Lewis wrote:
You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions along the northern California and Southern
Oregon coastlines -- not to mention Washington. Many have come to grief
along those rocky shores. Winds and currents are predominantly from the
north-north-west, which makes for a long wet beat up that coast, but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales. It can be done, and
many have done it. But I would seriously recommend at least one crew aboard
even if you do intend to hop the coast.

And, the CG closes ports from time to time... the main thing would be
to not be in a rush, but be ready to go if the weather window presents
itself.
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

On Feb 21, 8:49 am, "druid" wrote:

Hi,
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded?

Hi:
There was a troll here a few months ago about the time the
"professional crew" died when a cat washed up on an Oregon beach. The
troll desribed your same trip with the exception of leaving in
november and the boat was 45'+. There were some very somber responses.
I grew up on the centeral Oregon coast, commercial fished, and sailed
Cresent City to Neah Bay areas over the years. I have never consider
myself fully prepared for any PNW passage.

Do a Google search in this group. There are some very good
conversatoins about your "Dream." You want a blunt opinion?
Yould be one stupid **** thinking you can hop on that pea pod and sail
noth and expect to actuall get there. I would estamate a 95%
probability your boat would end up on the beach and
you ...............

It aint called the Grave Yard of The Pacific for nutun.

Truck the boat. Spend five years attempting to saill daily out of any
of the OR-WA estuaties (bays) then you'll be able to answere your own
question.
Bob

druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what
today's cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of
$2k-$2500 if you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.

Dan Best wrote:
druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what today's
cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of $2k-$2500 if
you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.


I do agree with Dan here--particularly with the part about the boat
being unfamiliar to you and most likely not properly equipped (without
significant work) for an offshore passage. You've got to weigh these
factors also in your decision--although it is certainly true that an
Islander 28, in the right hands and properly equipped can do it. In your
specific case, you wouldn't know the boat (a very important factor), and
to add the gear you should have for this passage would probably wind up
costing you more than just trucking it. So unless you wanted to do the
trip for its own sake, I think I'd go with Dan's suggestion, since it
sounds like your main concern is just to get the boat from point A to
point B.

--Alan Gomes

On Feb 21, 10:12 am, Dan Best wrote:
Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it.

That's a Good Point that I hadn't considered.

It's not so much that I wanted to save the trucking costs (which look
like about $4000CDN), but that I wanted a little adventure (Emphasis
on "little"). However, having sailed a 22-footer single-handed in a
gale, jumped out of a DC3 at night, parted company with a Yamaha RD at
50mph, I'm kinda "adventured-out".

The trucking option sounds like the way to go. Now if I can just sell
Far Cove...

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...


Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.
He also brokers boats at fair prices and may have what you want
sitting on the hard in Eugene.
I have my boat moored at Pt angeles and I know the yardmaster, so can
help you make connections there.
Scott just delivered a 30 footer to me here in Sequim from Marina Del
Rey and total cost USD was 2300.
Can't hurt to call him!
Gordon

On Feb 21, 10:24 am, Gordon wrote:
druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.

Thanks, Gord! I'll call him as soon as I've sold Far Cove. I like that
he will derig/re-rig so I won't have to make too many trips to CA. I'd
probably get him to ship it to Blaine or even Seattle rather than Pt
Angeles: they're right on the I-5 and it's easy for me to sail it up
from there.

And I am hoping to find something here in the PNW so I won't have to
truck it at all.

So - anybody want to buy a nice 1982 Catalina 36?

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

Hi Lloyd

One friend bought an Islander 34 in Long Beach. Got to San Fransico and
trucked it.

A sailing instructor colleague did a multihanded trip from California and
said it was one omne of the worst expereinces in his life (mainly under
power)

Other instructor sailed a Yamaha 33 from the Gulf Islands to Southern
California and trucked it back.

Some students took a Maple Leaf 56 down the coast on the start of a 2 year
Pacific voyage; that was the worst leg.

You are sailing upwind, against a current.

The only similarity between sailing in the Georgia Strait and going offshore
is that you are on a boat.

I have been in the Pacific (Honolulu to the PNW) in an Elite 37. That is as
small as I am prepared to go.

"Truck it."

Jack

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__________________________________________________
Jack Dale
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor
CYA Advanced Cruising Instructor
Director, Swiftsure Sailing Academy
http://www.swiftsuresailing.com
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"druid" wrote in message
ps.com...
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Can I sail it up?

Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? How long would it take? What's the best time
of year? What things should I look for or upgrade on the boat before I
made the trip? Should I "gunkhole" (ie stop at every port), or do long
passages offshore?

I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Here's one I'm considering:
http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...id=1900&url =

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org