Bob wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions

but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.

Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.

Newport reported 108 mph gusts and a steady 80 mph. Just another one
of thoes pesky southern gales. About once EVERY winter we have a 100
mph + storm, several 60-80 mph storms, and a series of 50 k winds with
25' seas. Check out NOAA bouy reports for a full picture.

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.


The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.

Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Bob

It could definitely be done, and has been done, in an Islander 28. If
the boat is sound, the captain/crew skilled, and the weather window
selected judiciously there's no reason this can't be done.

On the other hand, it would not be the fastest or most comfortable trip
in an Islander 28.

--AG

druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what
today's cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of
$2k-$2500 if you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.

In article ,
KLC Lewis wrote:
You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions along the northern California and Southern
Oregon coastlines -- not to mention Washington. Many have come to grief
along those rocky shores. Winds and currents are predominantly from the
north-north-west, which makes for a long wet beat up that coast, but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales. It can be done, and
many have done it. But I would seriously recommend at least one crew aboard
even if you do intend to hop the coast.

And, the CG closes ports from time to time... the main thing would be
to not be in a rush, but be ready to go if the weather window presents
itself.
--
Capt. JG @@
www.sailnow.com

druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.
Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)

PLEASE truck your boat. I am tired of reading about yet another
visitor lost at sea.

That does sound like the Right Thing to Do. This wasn't a "dream" for
me, just a possible option. My "dream" is to "circumavigate" (it that
the right word for going around an island?) Vancouver Island, and I
know a boat like this could easily do that in the summer (as long as I
have radar...)

The Better Route? Go to Hawaii and then across. Longer, but safer.
Yes, this is what some cruise guides recomend. But do that in a lake
boat???

Not sure your definition of "lake boat". I'm pretty sure I28's have
done the trek to Hawaii: I know many Catalina 27s have, and of course
Crown 28's and Cal 29's do it all the time. I have considered it, but
I just don't have the time it would take.

druid


An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat." It's a decently built coastal
cruiser, which can be (and has been) taken on longer off-shore voyages
but which is not the ideal vessel for such an enterprise. Ditto for the
Cal 29--great boat but with a number of characteristics (e.g., large
cockpit, fairly large companion way, etc.) that would not make it a
first choice for extended offshore work. Such voyages can be done, have
been done, and are not suicide to do if the appropriate precautions are
taken.

--Alan Gomes

druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...


Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.
He also brokers boats at fair prices and may have what you want
sitting on the hard in Eugene.
I have my boat moored at Pt angeles and I know the yardmaster, so can
help you make connections there.
Scott just delivered a 30 footer to me here in Sequim from Marina Del
Rey and total cost USD was 2300.
Can't hurt to call him!
Gordon

Dan Best wrote:
druid wrote:
Is it feasable to think about sailing a 28-ft boat up from, say, LA to
Pt Roberts, singlehanded? ...
I've been sailing Georgia Strait for over 30 years, mostly
singlehanded, on boats 22, 25, and 36 ft, but rarely "offshore".

Druid,
I've never done the SF to PNW trip, but I have done a fair amount of
coastal cruising and passage making. The trip from LA to SF is no big
deal as long as you are patient and wait for a good weather window as
you pass Pt. Conception/ Pt. Sur. However, from what I know of it, I
would definitely not recommend you singlehand an unfamiliar boat from SF
north as your first offshore adventure. Let alone one not designed,
prepared or equipped for an offshore passage. I'm not saying anything
negative about the Islander 28, but it's just not designed for the
conditions that trip can expose it to.

You would be much better off spending a couple of thousand bucks and
trucking the boat up. I've trucked a 30' sailboat a couple of times
(from LA to SF and San Carlos, Mex. to SF). Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it. It (and you) will get
there in one piece too.

The total cost in '97 from LA to SF was $1500. In '99, the San
Carlos-SF cost was $3000 but that entailed 2 trucks and transferring the
boat from one to the other with a crane in Tuscon. I dunno what today's
cost would be, but I suspect it would be in the range of $2k-$2500 if
you shop around and are flexible regarding the shipping dates.


I do agree with Dan here--particularly with the part about the boat
being unfamiliar to you and most likely not properly equipped (without
significant work) for an offshore passage. You've got to weigh these
factors also in your decision--although it is certainly true that an
Islander 28, in the right hands and properly equipped can do it. In your
specific case, you wouldn't know the boat (a very important factor), and
to add the gear you should have for this passage would probably wind up
costing you more than just trucking it. So unless you wanted to do the
trip for its own sake, I think I'd go with Dan's suggestion, since it
sounds like your main concern is just to get the boat from point A to
point B.

--Alan Gomes

On Feb 21, 10:12 am, Dan Best wrote:
Trust me, you'll save far
more just in the wear and tear he boat would suffer getting up to the
PNW on her own keel than the cost of trucking it.

That's a Good Point that I hadn't considered.

It's not so much that I wanted to save the trucking costs (which look
like about $4000CDN), but that I wanted a little adventure (Emphasis
on "little"). However, having sailed a 22-footer single-handed in a
gale, jumped out of a DC3 at night, parted company with a Yamaha RD at
50mph, I'm kinda "adventured-out".

The trucking option sounds like the way to go. Now if I can just sell
Far Cove...

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

On Feb 21, 10:24 am, Gordon wrote:
druid wrote:
Hi,

As some know, I'm looking for a 28-ft sailboat, probably an Islander
28. I've seen several in California that look in sailable condition
and in my price-range. Looks like it would cost around $4000CDN or so
to ship one up, so I was thinking...

Call Scott at Underway LLC at 541-463-0555 in Eugene Ore and get a
quote to haul the boat up.
He will derig the boat himself and I would have him deliver it to Pt
Angeles Wa (save a huge ferry fare) where they can put it in the water
and rerig. Then you scoot across the straits and you're home free.

Thanks, Gord! I'll call him as soon as I've sold Far Cove. I like that
he will derig/re-rig so I won't have to make too many trips to CA. I'd
probably get him to ship it to Blaine or even Seattle rather than Pt
Angeles: they're right on the I-5 and it's easy for me to sail it up
from there.

And I am hoping to find something here in the PNW so I won't have to
truck it at all.

So - anybody want to buy a nice 1982 Catalina 36?

druid
http://www.bcboatnet.org

On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:
druid wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:36 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 9:15 am, "KLC Lewis" wrote:

You can more-or-less harbor-hop up the coast, but beware of some very
treacherous coastal conditions
but in the
winter months there are the occasional southern gales.
Yes, the Oregon coast did experince one of thoes "southern gales" two
months ago.
SNIP

Of course I wouldn't consider such a trip in the winter months. I'm
going by my experience with the WCVI, which in the winter also has
"hurricane-force" storms and 10-meter seas. But in the summer, usually
the biggest problem is fog (which is why virtually ALL boats on WCVI
have radar). We went around Cape Caution in June and apart from the
swells, I could have taken my dinghy.

But it sounds like the Ore coast is not as nice as the WCVI, even in
summer. (although if it's ludicrous to be out in a 28-ft boat, why
does LaPush SOMETIMES have a warning for boats "under 26 feet"?)
An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains...... the sten
squats..........the next wave blows your boards in........... the boat
floods......... electrics fry...... boat wallows ..........
blub........... blub............ blub............ Secon

Personally I have two 1 1/2" cockpit drains plus one 2 1/2" ID
drain........ a cockpit half your size on a 26,000 lb boat. As I said
earlier... and still feel ill prepared for cruising in the PNW.

THink your ready? Fill the cockpit with water to the top. See what
happens........... Now pull the plugs on the drains and time how long
it takes to drain. NOw compare the draiin time with the swell duration
youll incounter. 13 seconds for a nice 20' sea is not unreasonable.
Does your cockpit drain in time for that next wave hit?????????


Do not kid your self. Its a robust lake boat. Sure lots of people have
completed great voyage in less. I hear tale that people have even
sailed Nigra Falls in a barrel...... and survied.


It's a decently built coastal
cruiser,

Uh, which coast? Which season??????

Truck it. Have fun. Stay alive.

On Feb 21, 11:00 am, "Bob" wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:21 am, Alan Gomes wrote:

An Islander 28 is not a "lake boat."

After looking a the picture of the cockpit I would call it a lake
boat. Why.... a huge cockpit with the door big enough to pass an
elephant below.... add the boards go right to the floor of the
cockpit. So what happens when the cockpit fills with water cause all
you got is two 3/4 inch cockpit drains......

Simple Solutions:
1. Glass in the lowest companionway board.
2. remove the transom (like you had an outboard there). Water comes
in, water goes out. No chance of a clogged drain. Maybe put a board in
to stop most of a following wave. I saw one (Crown 28 I think) that
had a board in the "hole" rigged to drop down into a swim-grid. Sweet!

druid - had a wave come over the top of his Venture 22 and it didn't
sink