On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:58:40 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Hi,

I've mentioned before that I'll be replacing Far Cove's engine this
winter (assuming I can sell the appt!) with a 26hp Universal M25XPB. What
prop should I buy to go with it?

I've heard Good Things about the Campbell Sailor, but some not-so-good
things as well. Mi Wheel is, of course, the Standard and probably the
cheapest.

What about a feathering prop like the AutoProp? Worth the money?

I've decided on a 3-blade, and drag under sail is not a BIG issue (I
don't race) but is a factor. Mainly I want max thrust/speed, both in clear
water and into a chop.

Suggestions?

I've used these folks....

http://www.gpcprop.com/

Give them a call, with your displacement, transmission, and engine
figures, and rotation, in hand. Tell them you want a three blade, and
they will size the dang thing for you.

You don't have to buy it there, but they do have ok prices on new and
recons.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:22:03 +0000, Horace Brownbag wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:58:40 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

Hi,

I've mentioned before that I'll be replacing Far Cove's engine this
winter (assuming I can sell the appt!) with a 26hp Universal M25XPB. What
prop should I buy to go with it?

I've heard Good Things about the Campbell Sailor, but some not-so-good
things as well. Mi Wheel is, of course, the Standard and probably the
cheapest.

What about a feathering prop like the AutoProp? Worth the money?

I've decided on a 3-blade, and drag under sail is not a BIG issue (I
don't race) but is a factor. Mainly I want max thrust/speed, both in clear
water and into a chop.

Suggestions?

I've used these folks....

http://www.gpcprop.com/

Give them a call, with your displacement, transmission, and engine
figures, and rotation, in hand. Tell them you want a three blade, and
they will size the dang thing for you.

You don't have to buy it there, but they do have ok prices on new and
recons.

Thanks! I'm not buying it until I've replaced the engine in Feb or so,
just "dreaming" for now. Did you get a MI Wheel, or the "ZF-Faster"? I
filled in their form, but not expecting too much since most of these
prop-calc forms rely on the existing data, which of course is for the
existing engine rather than the new one.

And, of course, I will be dealing with a Canadian dealer when I do buy
one.

I just got a reply from AutoProp - they want $3K US for their prop!
Ouch - I think that's too steep for my blood.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

We have a Luke prop and it performs well.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote in message
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Hi,

I've mentioned before that I'll be replacing Far Cove's engine this
winter (assuming I can sell the appt!) with a 26hp Universal M25XPB. What
prop should I buy to go with it?

I've heard Good Things about the Campbell Sailor, but some not-so-good
things as well. Mi Wheel is, of course, the Standard and probably the
cheapest.

What about a feathering prop like the AutoProp? Worth the money?

I've decided on a 3-blade, and drag under sail is not a BIG issue (I
don't race) but is a factor. Mainly I want max thrust/speed, both in clear
water and into a chop.

Suggestions?

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

I've mentioned before that I'll be replacing Far Cove's engine this
winter (assuming I can sell the appt!) with a 26hp Universal M25XPB. What
prop should I buy to go with it?

I've heard Good Things about the Campbell Sailor, but some not-so-good
things as well. Mi Wheel is, of course, the Standard and probably the
cheapest.

What about a feathering prop like the AutoProp? Worth the money?

I've decided on a 3-blade, and drag under sail is not a BIG issue (I
don't race) but is a factor. Mainly I want max thrust/speed, both in clear
water and into a chop.

Yes, they're expensive, but our 3 blade MaxProp is nearly as efficient
as a 2-blade Michigan Wheel, reverse is MUCH, MUCH better and we gain a
full knot under sail under many conditions. We got the one that can be
adjusted (out of the water), so it's slightly adjustable.

If I had to get another fixed prop, I'd get it computer checked (and
balanced if needed) before mounting it the first time. Our new 2-blade
prop had a full 1" imbalance between the two, which aggravated an
existing harmonic vibration and slowed us down.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:25 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

I've mentioned before that I'll be replacing Far Cove's engine this
winter (assuming I can sell the appt!) with a 26hp Universal M25XPB. What
prop should I buy to go with it?

I've heard Good Things about the Campbell Sailor, but some not-so-good
things as well. Mi Wheel is, of course, the Standard and probably the
cheapest.

What about a feathering prop like the AutoProp? Worth the money?

I've decided on a 3-blade, and drag under sail is not a BIG issue (I
don't race) but is a factor. Mainly I want max thrust/speed, both in clear
water and into a chop.

Yes, they're expensive, but our 3 blade MaxProp is nearly as efficient
as a 2-blade Michigan Wheel, reverse is MUCH, MUCH better and we gain a
full knot under sail under many conditions. We got the one that can be
adjusted (out of the water), so it's slightly adjustable.


Well, for virtually 1/2 the price of the new engine, they'd better walk
the dog, paint the boat, fix the head, give me sexual satisfaction and go
out and get beer and pizza afterwards!

I'm leaning towards a $500 fixed 3-blade now, either the Campbell
Sailor or the MI Wheel "Sailor" line.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:25 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:


Yes, they're expensive, but our 3 blade MaxProp is nearly as efficient
as a 2-blade Michigan Wheel, reverse is MUCH, MUCH better and we gain a
full knot under sail under many conditions. We got the one that can be
adjusted (out of the water), so it's slightly adjustable.




Well, for virtually 1/2 the price of the new engine, they'd better walk
the dog, paint the boat, fix the head, give me sexual satisfaction and go
out and get beer and pizza afterwards!

I'm leaning towards a $500 fixed 3-blade now, either the Campbell
Sailor or the MI Wheel "Sailor" line.


The improvement in reverse alone may be worth the cost. I saw a 40'
Catalina try to back in about a month ago and its prop walk was the
worst I've seen in any boat. I think I could have done a bit better than
the renter (used to a smaller performance sailboat), but that's because
I've intentionally learned how to use walk and know when to punch it and
quickly slip into neutral.

Imagine having nearly full thrust in reverse if/when you run aground.
Being able to get off quickly might save enough of your energy for
everything else.

BTW, we paid about $2k for our MaxProp just over a year ago. A few
minutes after I paid for ours, I chatted with a Catalina 38 owner that
got the exact same prop (16" 3 blade). [That's the largest prop they'd
sell me; we could fit a 20" with our clearance and would have gotten one
if they'd let us -- I'm of the bigger-prop-is-better crowd.] The $1500
differential (possibly less with a Catalina 36) isn't 1/2 the price of
the new engine.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:13:46 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:25 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:


Yes, they're expensive, but our 3 blade MaxProp is nearly as efficient
as a 2-blade Michigan Wheel, reverse is MUCH, MUCH better and we gain a
full knot under sail under many conditions. We got the one that can be
adjusted (out of the water), so it's slightly adjustable.




Well, for virtually 1/2 the price of the new engine, they'd better
walk
the dog, paint the boat, fix the head, give me sexual satisfaction and
go out and get beer and pizza afterwards!

I'm leaning towards a $500 fixed 3-blade now, either the Campbell
Sailor or the MI Wheel "Sailor" line.


[SNIP]

BTW, we paid about $2k for our MaxProp just over a year ago. A few
minutes after I paid for ours, I chatted with a Catalina 38 owner that
got the exact same prop (16" 3 blade). [That's the largest prop they'd
sell me; we could fit a 20" with our clearance and would have gotten one
if they'd let us -- I'm of the bigger-prop-is-better crowd.] The $1500
differential (possibly less with a Catalina 36) isn't 1/2 the price of
the new engine.

Where do you get a MaxProp? Know any place in Canada? (I ask because
these days it costs $100 or so to get ANYTHING across the border!) I
searched the web and all I found was Property Managers. The "1/2 the price
of the engine" came from the quote I got for an AutoProp: $3K. And the
engine is about $6K (About $8500 CDN).

(BTW: I'm not really concerned with reverse - after nearly 15 yrs, I've
gotten used to Far Cove's propwalk and use it to my advantage. But extra
punch in fwd would be nice!)

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:19:57 -0700, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:

I'm leaning towards a $500 fixed 3-blade now, either the Campbell
Sailor or the MI Wheel "Sailor" line.

=========================================

If you like to sail in light air, you will not be happy with a 3
bladed fixed prop. If light air speed is not important to you however
that would be a good choice for performance under power.

x-no-archive:yes
"Lloyd Sumpter" wrote:

On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:13:46 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:
Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:45:25 +0000, Jere Lull wrote:


Yes, they're expensive, but our 3 blade MaxProp is nearly as efficient
as a 2-blade Michigan Wheel, reverse is MUCH, MUCH better and we gain a
full knot under sail under many conditions. We got the one that can be
adjusted (out of the water), so it's slightly adjustable.

Well, for virtually 1/2 the price of the new engine, they'd better
walk
the dog, paint the boat, fix the head, give me sexual satisfaction and
go out and get beer and pizza afterwards!

I'm leaning towards a $500 fixed 3-blade now, either the Campbell
Sailor or the MI Wheel "Sailor" line.
[SNIP]

BTW, we paid about $2k for our MaxProp just over a year ago. A few
minutes after I paid for ours, I chatted with a Catalina 38 owner that
got the exact same prop (16" 3 blade). [That's the largest prop they'd
sell me; we could fit a 20" with our clearance and would have gotten one
if they'd let us -- I'm of the bigger-prop-is-better crowd.] The $1500
differential (possibly less with a Catalina 36) isn't 1/2 the price of
the new engine.

Where do you get a MaxProp? Know any place in Canada? (I ask because
these days it costs $100 or so to get ANYTHING across the border!) I
searched the web and all I found was Property Managers. The "1/2 the price
of the engine" came from the quote I got for an AutoProp: $3K. And the
engine is about $6K (About $8500 CDN).

(BTW: I'm not really concerned with reverse - after nearly 15 yrs, I've
gotten used to Far Cove's propwalk and use it to my advantage. But extra
punch in fwd would be nice!)

I think we got ours from PYI http://www.pyiinc.com/ MaxProp
themselves are at http://www.max-prop.com/

You might try http://www.vicprop.com/sales.htm who are in Canada and
say they handle the MaxProp.

I don't think you will get an extra punch in fwd. As I understand it
(and I may be wrong), the reason that you get more reverse is that the
prop paddles are not 'cupped' or angled like the fixed prop ones are,
but are flat. The cupping is for maximum performance in forward gear,
and it makes reverse less efficient. If you have a flat prop, then it
is equally good in both directions.

grandma Rosalie

S/V RosalieAnn, Leonardtown, MD
CSY 44 WO #156
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id2.html

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

Where do you get a MaxProp? Know any place in Canada? (I ask because

these days it costs $100 or so to get ANYTHING across the border!) I
searched the web and all I found was Property Managers. The "1/2 the price
of the engine" came from the quote I got for an AutoProp: $3K. And the
engine is about $6K (About $8500 CDN).


Another poster gave what I believe is a good site. Yell if that isn't
good enough

(BTW: I'm not really concerned with reverse - after nearly 15 yrs, I've
gotten used to Far Cove's propwalk and use it to my advantage. But extra
punch in fwd would be nice!)

I don't think you'll get better punch in forward unless you're switching
from 2 to 3 blades or to a larger diameter, as the MaxProp isn't
optimized for forward though it isn't horrible.

Performance in reverse is an amazing improvement though. You have to
experience it to believe the difference. We spin on our axis so easily
that we've never actually *needed* an authoritative reverse to get
unstuck, but we haven't needed to spin to get ungrounded since we
switched. ('Course, that could be because I've learned not to get as stuck.)

Our switch was from 15"x2 blade to 16"x3, so we can pull stumps if we
need to, and our reverse power is only slightly less than forward.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/