Talking of waterlines, look at the Donna Lange pics when she is
leaving NZ. That sucker is squatting.
Not your ordinary granny!
Gordon

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand upright
again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they knew
better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer plates...
I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about now...

tom
p.s. I have one of the few non-shoalkeel Maurice Griffiths designs; 42
LOD, 11.96 RTons, 6'draft, kanwara is her name
=-==
From " http://www.kensolo.com/TheBoat.htm "

finally found the boat I ended up with in Brunswick, GA and trucked
her to the west coast. She is a Maurice Griffiths designed 44'
staysail ketch built in Gozo, Malta by Terry Erskine steel yachts in
1993. She has a round chine and a 6' bowsprit. She was originally
designed as what is known as a bilge keel boat with a full keel and 16
s.f. plates on each side of the keel to allow her to stay upright when
the tide ebbs.

I had these cut off after talking with designer, Robert Perry

who agreed they were 400 lbs. each with a lot of wetted surface and
useless for my plans. She draws 5'6" and has a beam of 12' 3"
and comes in at about 50,000 lbs fully loaded for this trip. For the
last 3 + years I have been outfitting her for her new task.
=-==


NE Sailboat wrote:
Roger ,, I took a look at this . I don't know Ken Barnes, or anything about
Ken Barnes.

But ... when I looked at the pictures, I kept thinking why isn't the Captain
( Ken ) trying to get his boat to some port?

Couldn't he rig some sort of sail? Or, couldn't he get some help doing some
type of repair on site?

It just doesn't seem right for some reason. This boat was equipped to sail
around the world. I'm assuming that it is a very well constructed, well
equipped, strong, yacht.

Am I missing something?


Also,, what of this Ken Barnes. Is he a very able sailor? Has he done
other long trips?

Tell me where I am off course.


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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
Good set of photos of Ken Barnes' damaged boat and rescue over at CBS.

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007...y2332917.shtml

Very nice looking boat. Looks like it should have done better but it's a
very tough patch of ocean. One of those fishing boats would do well to
tow it in.

--
Roger Long

Get a grip. The guy didn't sail to Chile and spend 4 years planning his
trip to pull an insurance scam!

And in your reply to yourself, you talk about sawing off a "stabilizer
plate". What the hell are you talking about? This is a sailboat, not a
power boat.

-- Geoff

"tlindly" wrote in
ups.com:

oh, I just heard of the 'self-scuttling'. If this is true, it's
probably an insurance scam.
And if that's true, I do hope he gets busted...
Contrariwise, it is hard to support that many bleached blondes....
gotta do watcha gotta do!

tlindly wrote:
NE Sailboat wrote:
Am I missing something?

I think I figured it out, pasted below is from Ken's site...

I am betting we will find that the boat rolled past 90 degrees
(110-120), stayed that way about 20 to 40 seconds, during which time
the above decks were scourged, flooding occured, engine failed, Ken
crapped his pants wondering if his boat was ever going to stand
upright again.
All because Ken [and Mr. Perry, who is that anyway?] thought they
knew better than Mr. Griffiths, and sawed off the stabalizer
plates... I also bet Mr. Perry is feeling a bit blush right about
now...

tom

"Razzbar" wrote in message
oups.com...

NE Sailboat wrote:
It is reported at the end of the CBS story that he had no gash. Seems
like
the gash story was something his family dreamed up.

Interesting, I heard on the BBC last night that the gash was "to the
bone". I didn't hear of any mention of the number of stiches taken,
which number is almost always mentioned by tradition when somebody gets
stitches.

The thing that struck me was that the waterline of the boat is visible
in the photo I've seen. It doesn't look like it's got a meter of water
inside.

Compare pictures of his boat to pictures of Tami Oldham's boat when it
limped into Hilo back in the 80's. She sailed it for nearly 2 months
after wrecking in a storm. I was living there when she came in, and the
boat was totally trashed.

It occurs to me that if Ken had been successful, he'd probably make the
news here and there for a couple days. Now, I'll bet he's getting
offers from the media, will be a star for quite a while, and many times
more than enough money to replace his boat.

I hope so.


I hope not. Not a very good sailor. What do you think the general public
thinks??

On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:06:26 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it
easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying.

It is almost impossible to get insurance for a trip like that,
especially single handing the boat.

Larry,, I recommend a subscription to Lattitudes and Attitudes magazine.

No sailing around the world to see if you are one with nature for these
folks.

Oh nooooo...

It is Jimmy Buffet, and PARTY .............................



"Larry" wrote in message
...
"NE Sailboat" wrote in
news:PG9oh.1136$us1.922@trndny04:

I think Larry has the right idea... build beautiful boat and take
beautiful lady friend on boat for trip to islands.

Then,, if it gets "chilly" you can cuddle..


hahahahahahahhaah



And if it doesn't get "chilly".....HEAD NORTH until it does!...(c;

I found a great porn video of two 20-somethings just gettin'-it-on in the
V-berth of a really nice looking yacht. They're struggling, she's
screaming and carrying on, banging her head on the overhead, the way it
oughta be!

I took it to a boat party on my laptop which I hid until they were all
drunk and rowdy. "Does anyone know these people?", I asked them while
booting it up? The drunks searched the whole marina, even the transient
dock, listening for that noise she was makin' the rest of the
night!....hee hee.

Cap'n kept looking in our V-berth, then he'd turn around and say, "Nope.
Not yet!", to the delight of the assemblage. The females especially
loved my "presentation video"...(c;

About midnight, I snuck the notebook up into the V-berth and set
Windows' scheduler to play it at loud volume in 30 minutes behind the
closed door. Very realistic....

I love dock parties.....

Wayne ,, my insurance company doesn't care how many of us are sailing the
boat .. all they want to know is how many other boats I have bumped into.



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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:06:26 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

What I would like to know; did he have insurance on this boat? Makes it
easier to abandon ship when someone else is paying.

It is almost impossible to get insurance for a trip like that,
especially single handing the boat.

On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:49:18 GMT, "NE Sailboat"
wrote:

Wayne ,, my insurance company doesn't care how many of us are sailing the
boat .. all they want to know is how many other boats I have bumped into.

Look in the fine print for something called "cruising limits" or some
such. It probably says something like north eastern US waters up to
50 miles off shore.

Once you go outside your cruising limits you are self insured.

"NE Sailboat" wrote in news:Vsvoh.2547$312.593
@trndny02:

Larry,, I recommend a subscription to Lattitudes and Attitudes
magazine.

No sailing around the world to see if you are one with nature for these
folks.

Oh nooooo...

It is Jimmy Buffet, and PARTY .............................




Don't need a magazine to party.....need a GIRL and some BOOZE!

Saves a lot of money and extra work if you skip the boat...(c;

On a more serious note, there are lots of magazines, including mags like
Cruising World, etc., posted from massive CD magazine subscriptions over
on the alt.binaries.e-book newsgroups every month. Data stores much
easier than paper on a boat. Take a few thousand to sea on your cruise.

Buffett always graces our dock parties....at least until Cap'n puts on
his favorite opera singer.

Ever heard a bunch of boat drunks singing along with an opera?....walking
back to the marina on the street, acapella?....(c;

"KLC Lewis" wrote
Cap't Barnes deserves our respect, not condemnation.

I'll let the rest of you hash that out, I was just wondering why nobody tied
a line on Barnes' boat and towed it somewhere. I would think you could do
that for less than the value of the damaged boat. But what do I know?