"Matt Colie" wrote in message
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Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody
go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we
aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill
under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)

Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic



I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our
Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad
enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.

wrote in :

It certainly smells bad.

I guess it was in my youth......

Every time I get a whiff of 2-stroke exhaust going by the dock, I have a
flashback to the mid 1950's. I can hear and smell that Evinrude Sportwin
7.5 as my grandfather, Jack, and I are headed back to the lake inlet to
refill Granny's freezer with more fish from that hole Gramps knows about
between two Weeping Willows along the East bank about .6 miles from its
mouth into the lake.

I also VIVIDLY remember tossing his brand new mushroom anchor into the
hole, exactly like he told me to do....without a LINE tied onto it....and
crying all the way home while he was laughing and couldn't wait to tell my
grandmother.

Nope....Two stroke exhaust, to me, is one of the sweetest smelling
fragrances on the planet.....

Matt Colie wrote in :

Why do liberals think that a Hybrid vehicle is a better answer than a
diesel?



Have you ever seen the documentary, "Who Killed The Electric Car?".....

The answer will astound you. It begins with D.

GM crushed every EV-1 into scrap so none could escape with evidence of how
good they really were...not for the planet...for the BUYERS.


Larry
--
Guess what I want to do with the Little Drummer Boy's drum
by Christmas Eve....rrrrump..pa-pum...pum...up his bum....

Matt Colie wrote in
:

Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let
anybody go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great
lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that
either.)


Shhhh....don't make too much noise! 3 of my 4 vehicles are diesels. One
of them, my 6.2L Chevy stepvan, has a Frybrid in it.
(http://www.frybrid.com)

The 220D and 300TD diesel Mercedes antiques are, currently, running in
warm SC on 80% frying oil and 20% regular gas, which won't work if it
gets too cold.

3 of us pool resources and have our own veggie oil company. I have the
van (collection department), one guy has a huge warehouse (storage and
processing) and the other guy built the filtering system (settling and
filtration department). We literally have FUEL RUNNING OUT OF OUR EARS!
I was at the warehouse, yesterday, delivering another load from our
Chinese restaurants. We all filled our vehicles and still had 120
gallons ready-to-go and about 730 gallons settling out in their cans.

I don't even shut the truck down to go to breakfast. I leave the heater
running...(c;

Fuel is easy to get if you get off your asses and go after it.....and
have the right engine, not gasoline.

Larry
--
Rudolf MADE it to run on vegetable oil, ya know.

Someone asked, "Are you paying road taxes?", to try to expose me. "Yes,
I pay gas tax on every gallon of diesel and gas I buy.", I replied.
"What about the frying oil?", they retorted. "There's no road tax on
vegetable oil, yet.", I replied, smiling sheepishly...(c;

Most restaurants are PAYING a disposal company to collect and dispose of
REALLY GOOD FUEL! How stupid....

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
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I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells
on our Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the
oceans are bad enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be
disasterous.



Some of the finest fishing on the planet is right under those oil rigs in
the Gulf of Mexico....a whole new ecosystem that's just thriving....
all the way to the bottom!

http://www.thejump.net/fishingarticl...gged-reefs.htm
http://www.marshmission.com/coastal_...t/volume12.htm
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/regul...viron/rigs-to-
reefs/information.html
.....to name a few.


Larry
--
Guess what I want to do with the Little Drummer Boy's drum
by Christmas Eve....rrrrump..pa-pum...pum...up his bum....

"Larry" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in
:

I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells
on our Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the
oceans are bad enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be
disasterous.



Some of the finest fishing on the planet is right under those oil rigs in
the Gulf of Mexico....a whole new ecosystem that's just thriving....
all the way to the bottom!

http://www.thejump.net/fishingarticl...gged-reefs.htm
http://www.marshmission.com/coastal_...t/volume12.htm
http://www.gomr.mms.gov/homepg/regul...viron/rigs-to-
reefs/information.html
....to name a few.


Larry
--
Guess what I want to do with the Little Drummer Boy's drum
by Christmas Eve....rrrrump..pa-pum...pum...up his bum....

Sure, plant the rigs as artificial reefs and don't drill. That's fine with
me.

"Matt Colie" said
Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil..

Energy independence sounds all well and good, but if the world is gonna
run out of fossil fuel in the foreseeable future, doesn't it make sense
to use up the other guy's first? This may seem a bit greedy and
politically incorrect to put ourselves first, but to me it seems like a
smart thing to use up the other guy's reserves first.

After all, what condition would you rather be in? The Arab, South
American, Siberian, etc. oil fields have been depleted and those of the
U.S. are still producing, or our fields depleted and us completely
dependent on foreign oil? Bear in mind that the governments of some of
those places don't have much of a history of being nice to us. How
would they behave if they literally had us "over a barrel"?

Matt Colie wrote:
snip

(Canada has wells in most of the great
lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)

snip..

Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
Can you let us know where you found that info.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:47:57 -0600, in message

"KLC Lewis" wrote:


"Matt Colie" wrote in message
...
Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody
go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we
aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill
under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)

Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic



I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our
Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad
enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.

Whose Great Lakes? Keep in mind that we share them with the US. Or are
you posting from the US and speaking only of Lake Michigan?

There's already plenty of wellheads under Lake Erie where the shallow
depths make drilling quite easy and Lake Erie is in way better shape
than it was 40 years ago.

Ryk

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:08:53 GMT, in message

Don White wrote:

Matt Colie wrote:
snip

(Canada has wells in most of the great
lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)

snip..

Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
Can you let us know where you found that info.

I think most of the wellheads in Lake Erie are gas wells, but a quick
look at the chart will show plenty of evidence of past drilling.

Ryk