Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine, an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically
this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine,
an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that
with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip
with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to
time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a
tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

You mean you didn't learn how to do this properly under sail? I'm shocked.
:-)

In any case, practice makes perfect. Make sure you have good fenders. No
specific suggestions that I can think of, since it's really just a matter of
practice.

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On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:45:20 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

That's a difficult situation. What is on the down current side of
your slip? Could you put down some fenders and just lay against it
while you secure lines on the "up current" side? Once you secure the
bow and set a bow spring, you could use prop thrust to push the stern
over.

sherwindu wrote:

Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine, an 9.9
Yamaha outboard in my case.

Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?


What is upstream of your slip? Does the boat (presumably a boat in
the adjoining slip) stick out past the last piling?

If not, I think I would have the crew put a midships line on the last
piling (the one fartherest out in the river) on the upstream side and
warp yourself around into the slip. That's basically what we do if
there is a lot of wind on our beam.

Actually, we leave a line on the piling(s) in our home slip so all the
crew person (me) has to do is pick it up with a boat hook and hang on
to it - attaching it to a cleat if it seems like the forces of wind
and water are going to rip it out of my hands. Bob puts a line holder
on the pilings so we can hang the lines up on them as we cast off.

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:45:20 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine, an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.


Can you/do you approach into the current? That would keep steering way
on while slowing speed over ground and speed relative to the hard
things you don't want to hit.

I can line up the boat with the slip, but a strong current will throw my stern down
stream. I can maintain steerage going in, but if I enter too fast I am in danger of
hitting the concrete wall at the front of the slip. These are slips with small metal
piers
pointing into the river. There are two slips between each pier, with a wooden post
at the head of the slip dividing the slip for two boats. I have to avoid hitting the
pier,
the wooden piling, and/or the boat in the downstream side of the slip.

Sherwin D.

Dick Locke wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:45:20 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine, an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

Can you/do you approach into the current? That would keep steering way
on while slowing speed over ground and speed relative to the hard
things you don't want to hit.

"Capt. JG" wrote:

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically
this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine,
an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that
with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip
with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to
time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a
tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

You mean you didn't learn how to do this properly under sail? I'm shocked.

You aren't shocked, you are just being a jerk. I mentioned the sailing to
offset
the remark I made to the chap who wanted to single handle his boat and pick
up his bobber in the process, that he shouldn't go out if he could not pick
up a
bobber. As a matter of fact, I had to do some tricky anchoring in the past
when
my engine was out, and had to do it under sail. I did learn how to pick up
a bobber
under sail alone, and it paid off. I'm not recommending it be done when you
have
tricky currents or tight slips to contend with, and a good working engine.
If you
have nothing constructive to say, please don't reply to my emails.


:-)

In any case, practice makes perfect. Make sure you have good fenders. No
specific suggestions that I can think of, since it's really just a matter of
practice.

Sure, and while I practice, put dents into my boat and possibly the one in
the
slip next to mine. I don't think you even have a clue how to handle this
situation,
so pipe down.



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www.sailnow.com

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...


"Capt. JG" wrote:

"sherwindu" wrote in message
...
Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have
a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard.
Theoretically
this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an
engine,
an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so
that
with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip
with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try
to
time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a
tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

You mean you didn't learn how to do this properly under sail? I'm
shocked.

You aren't shocked, you are just being a jerk. I mentioned the sailing
to
offset
the remark I made to the chap who wanted to single handle his boat and
pick
up his bobber in the process, that he shouldn't go out if he could not
pick
up a
bobber. As a matter of fact, I had to do some tricky anchoring in the
past
when
my engine was out, and had to do it under sail. I did learn how to
pick up
a bobber
under sail alone, and it paid off. I'm not recommending it be done
when you
have
tricky currents or tight slips to contend with, and a good working
engine.
If you
have nothing constructive to say, please don't reply to my emails.


:-)

In any case, practice makes perfect. Make sure you have good fenders. No
specific suggestions that I can think of, since it's really just a matter
of
practice.

Sure, and while I practice, put dents into my boat and possibly the one
in
the
slip next to mine. I don't think you even have a clue how to handle this
situation,
so pipe down.



--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


Sher... if I was being a jerk, I wouldn't have included the smilie. You've
got a very thin skin. In any case, keep your fenders handy and keep
practicing.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

sherwindu wrote:

I can line up the boat with the slip, but a strong current will throw my stern down
stream. I can maintain steerage going in, but if I enter too fast I am in danger of
hitting the concrete wall at the front of the slip. These are slips with small metal
piers
pointing into the river. There are two slips between each pier, with a wooden post
at the head of the slip dividing the slip for two boats. I have to avoid hitting the
pier,
the wooden piling, and/or the boat in the downstream side of the slip.

Sherwin D.

I have seen people with crossed lines (i.e. ropes) at the front of a
slip that they are heading into. (assuming this is your slip). They
form an X at the pier end of the slip with the bow of the boat at the
middle of the X at the distance that you want to keep the boat from
the pier.

We also see lines strung between the pilings that delineate the slip
to separate our slip from the next one. Of course they won't help if
you ram them at warp speed, but they should slow you down a bit.
http://home.mindspring.com/~gmbeasley/id1.html

The top picture was taken at low tide (the water went up to the top of
the pilings at high tide and it is still about 18" above the dock)
just after Isabel when the boat in the adjoining slip had been hauled
and shows the lines between the slips.

The second picture shows when we were docked on the other side - you
can see a little of the chafe guards, and there's one of the X lines
at the front of the slip, going like /

We tie fenders to the pier where we normally exit the boat. When we
leave the boat it is crosstied in the slip so that it isn't close to
any edges, but when we want to get on or off, we pull her over to the
pier. The fender in the first picture isn't usually there.

And I repeat that we leave the lines on the pilings and cleats on the
pier so that all we have to do is pick them up, and the chafe guards
are attached to the lines where they go through the hawse holes or
through cleats (on the boat), so that I will know how close to cleat
the line in.

I would also come into the slip against the current.


Dick Locke wrote:

On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 23:45:20 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

Unlike the gentleman who wants to single handle a bober pick-up, I have a
question about how to enter a slip with two crewmen aboard. Theoretically this
can be done under sail, but the first approach should be with an engine, an 9.9
Yamaha outboard
in my case. Problem is that our slip is on a bend in the river, so that with a
strong current flowing, we have to come in bow first to the narrow slip with the
current on
the beam. I have tried to come in a bit upstream of the flow and try to time it
so that
we are in line just as we enter. It's a bit tricky, and there is a tendency for
the stern
to swing downstream before we have a chance to get a line to it. Any
suggestions?

Sherwin D.

Can you/do you approach into the current? That would keep steering way
on while slowing speed over ground and speed relative to the hard
things you don't want to hit.

On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:24:46 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:

I have to avoid hitting the
pier,
the wooden piling, and/or the boat in the downstream side of the slip.

That is a very common dock layout.

What I have seen many people do, and it seems to work, is to tie a
permanent line between the piling and the sea wall. Keep it fairly
tight and it will give you something to catch your sideways drift
before you hit the boat in the adjacent slip.

Another strategy is to hang a number of fenders on the side with the
adjacent boat and just lay along side while you tie up. Shouldn't be
a problem as long as you are using nice clean fenders of a suitable
size.