I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast furling.
The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast
furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack? I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.

TIA

wrote:
I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast furling.
The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast
furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack? I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.


None of these issues are necessarily a problem, though there is
potential. A front opening frig is only a problem if it is not well
insulated. In mast furling is generally considered better now then in
years gone by, but it is one more thing to fail. Almost all mid size
boats now come with a wheel. Racing boats (or those with pretensions)
may have a large wheel which can be awkward for the shorthanded
sailor, but there's nothing wrong with using a smaller wheel if you
wish. I don't think I would fold the wheel while underway - that
could be painful if the wrong body part where to get caught ...

Frankly, though these are all issues worth some consideration, they
are pretty far down my list.

wrote:

I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast furling.

I wouldn't really want either of these as a cruising sailboat if you
mean anything other than coastal cruising. Of the two, the Beneteau
would probably be better.

The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast

Front opening frig is not an efficient use of energy, although it is
nicer for the cook and easier to find things. Every time you open the
door, all the cold air spills out onto the floor.

furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack? I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.

TIA

We have behind the mast furling - have only been at the dock next to
boats with in mast furling, and they were terribly noisy if the wind
was from an appropriate direction.

We were in West End (Grand Bahama) waiting to cross and the sailboat
next to us had in mast furling. The wind was from the NE and their
mast was making a loud irritating whistling noise. That night I said
to Bob - if their mast stops whistling, we'll know the wind has
shifted to the south and we can go. And it did, so we did.

It is possible to get something called a whistle stopper to close off
the mast slot but apparently most people don't bother.

I am not familiar with the folding wheel, but I'm pretty sure that you
don't fold it unless you aren't moving. It sounds like it is just to
give you more room to eat or sleep in the cockpit.

What kind of reactions are you going to need to have that you think
the wheel will inhibit? At least on our boat, sail handling is
usually done by someone other than the person at the wheel. In our
case, Bob hands the steering over to me, and he takes care of the
sails.

grandma Rosalie

What kind of reactions are you going to need to have that you think
the wheel will inhibit? At least on our boat, sail handling is
usually done by someone other than the person at the wheel. In our
case, Bob hands the steering over to me, and he takes care of the
sails.

grandma Rosalie

The above comments are very good. However, since 1982, on my old 27 feet
boat, I do not have any furlers and I do all the sail handling. I usually
leave the autopilot on and set the sails. In heavy weather sailing, I will
quickly empty the main by releasing the traveler, and then if I need it I
will release the sheet. As for the head sail, in strong wind, I doze the
sail down by holding on the halyard while moving in front to down the sail,
then I change for a smaller head sail or no sail at all.

My wife helps me to bag the sails and to put them away while the boat is on
autopilot.

When I drop an anchor without the use of my engine, I have to move quickly
to get the main down and run in front to set the anchor. I am getting of
age and on my new boat, I may go for broke and get the furlers. So having
handled my sails alone for so may years will take some training to make good
use of the furlers.





"Rosalie B." wrote in message
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wrote:

I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast
furling.

I wouldn't really want either of these as a cruising sailboat if you
mean anything other than coastal cruising. Of the two, the Beneteau
would probably be better.

The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with
front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast

Front opening frig is not an efficient use of energy, although it is
nicer for the cook and easier to find things. Every time you open the
door, all the cold air spills out onto the floor.

furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a
tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I
can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack? I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.

TIA

We have behind the mast furling - have only been at the dock next to
boats with in mast furling, and they were terribly noisy if the wind
was from an appropriate direction.

We were in West End (Grand Bahama) waiting to cross and the sailboat
next to us had in mast furling. The wind was from the NE and their
mast was making a loud irritating whistling noise. That night I said
to Bob - if their mast stops whistling, we'll know the wind has
shifted to the south and we can go. And it did, so we did.

It is possible to get something called a whistle stopper to close off
the mast slot but apparently most people don't bother.

I am not familiar with the folding wheel, but I'm pretty sure that you
don't fold it unless you aren't moving. It sounds like it is just to
give you more room to eat or sleep in the cockpit.

What kind of reactions are you going to need to have that you think
the wheel will inhibit? At least on our boat, sail handling is
usually done by someone other than the person at the wheel. In our
case, Bob hands the steering over to me, and he takes care of the
sails.

grandma Rosalie

I would not venture too far out in either of them. Both a flimsy loosers.
And, everytime you open a front loading refrig., the cool air comes out.
Think about it.
Crabby
wrote in message
...
What kind of reactions are you going to need to have that you think
the wheel will inhibit? At least on our boat, sail handling is
usually done by someone other than the person at the wheel. In our
case, Bob hands the steering over to me, and he takes care of the
sails.

grandma Rosalie

The above comments are very good. However, since 1982, on my old 27 feet
boat, I do not have any furlers and I do all the sail handling. I usually
leave the autopilot on and set the sails. In heavy weather sailing, I
will quickly empty the main by releasing the traveler, and then if I need
it I will release the sheet. As for the head sail, in strong wind, I doze
the sail down by holding on the halyard while moving in front to down the
sail, then I change for a smaller head sail or no sail at all.

My wife helps me to bag the sails and to put them away while the boat is
on autopilot.

When I drop an anchor without the use of my engine, I have to move quickly
to get the main down and run in front to set the anchor. I am getting of
age and on my new boat, I may go for broke and get the furlers. So having
handled my sails alone for so may years will take some training to make
good use of the furlers.





"Rosalie B." wrote in message
...
wrote:

I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast
furling.

I wouldn't really want either of these as a cruising sailboat if you
mean anything other than coastal cruising. Of the two, the Beneteau
would probably be better.

The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with
front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast

Front opening frig is not an efficient use of energy, although it is
nicer for the cook and easier to find things. Every time you open the
door, all the cold air spills out onto the floor.

furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a
tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I
can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack?
I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.

TIA

We have behind the mast furling - have only been at the dock next to
boats with in mast furling, and they were terribly noisy if the wind
was from an appropriate direction.

We were in West End (Grand Bahama) waiting to cross and the sailboat
next to us had in mast furling. The wind was from the NE and their
mast was making a loud irritating whistling noise. That night I said
to Bob - if their mast stops whistling, we'll know the wind has
shifted to the south and we can go. And it did, so we did.

It is possible to get something called a whistle stopper to close off
the mast slot but apparently most people don't bother.

I am not familiar with the folding wheel, but I'm pretty sure that you
don't fold it unless you aren't moving. It sounds like it is just to
give you more room to eat or sleep in the cockpit.

What kind of reactions are you going to need to have that you think
the wheel will inhibit? At least on our boat, sail handling is
usually done by someone other than the person at the wheel. In our
case, Bob hands the steering over to me, and he takes care of the
sails.

grandma Rosalie

G&G wrote:
I would not venture too far out in either of them. Both a flimsy loosers.

I would be inclined to agree, but people do seem to cross oceans in
both. And for most people considering these boats, cruising means
going from one end of Long Island Sound to the other. These are two
of the largest selling brands in the country because they serve the
the needs of the greatest number of people.

And, everytime you open a front loading refrig., the cool air comes out.
Think about it.
Crabby

This is greatly overstated. The heat content of air, by volume, is
less than one thousandth of water. In other words, replacing a cubic
foot of cold air with warm air is about the same as replacing a cubic
inch of cold water with warm. Or maybe ten openings is no worse than
putting in one warm beer to be chilled.

Think about it.

[maybe Richard Kollmann can verify my "napkin calculations."]

And of course, rummaging around in a top loader looking for that stick
of butter for a few minutes may "exchange" more air then the quicker
equivalent in a front loader.

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:49:09 GMT, wrote:

I am shopping for a new cruising sailboat.
My eyes are set on a 34.3 Beneteau and 33 Hunter both have in mast furling.
The specifications shows that they are build to CE A and equipped with front
opening frig. I never had any furling gears before let alone the in mast
furling. All I have on my old sailboat is top loading icebox and a tiller.
As for the wheel, going around it does not leave you much space for quick
reactions. The folding wheel is one option but is it good? From what I can
see you can only fold the wheel when at anchor or maybe on a long tack? I
could benefit from any comments and feedback.

If you've done heavy weather sailing in a tiller-steered 27 footer,
either boat will likely be 1) a huge step forward in comfort,
convenience and design, and 2) a huge step backward in sailing
ability. I don't like either of them as sailing machines, but I
particularly find the Hunter 33 weakly built, with far too high a
freeboard, a too high mast and construction and gear sized for no more
than 25 knots. I am sure it is more comfortable for drinks and snacks
than my old 33 footer, but I am also sure it would be a mess and quite
possibly a hazard in six foot seas.

The icebox would be the least of my concerns, frankly, unless either
boat was to be chained to a dock, as many apparently are.

R.