"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote
Is it my imagination or is the second sheet captured only by a loop of
the first, and thus could pull it apart? I'm sure there's a way of
avoiding this ... but it illudes me right now.

It's your imagination (or lack thereof right at this moment). Both loops
are held by their own standing parts. It's hard to convey in the pictures
but will be come clear if you fiddle with a couple of spliced loops.

BTW I know that most of you don't have problems with bowlines and other
knots hanging up on the shrouds. I don't either when I'm sailing alone or
with an experienced crew. A lot of my sailing is with people, often kids,
that I'm trying to talk through the process and poor timing of the
steering and line handling makes a big difference. I hate to see that
wincher grinding for all he or she is worth when all the strain is being
taken by the foreward lowers as I try to get the hesitant helmsman to give
her another quarter turn.

Hmmm... well, I mostly sail with novices and students. They have to learn at
some point, and this is one of the things they need to learn... how to
prevent this from happening.

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"Capt. JG" wrote

Hmmm... well, I mostly sail with novices and students. They have to
learn at some point, and this is one of the things they need to
learn... how to prevent this from happening.


Sure, but not having hang ups helps focus on other aspects of the
timing. Besides, lots of my deck apelets aren't actually ever going
to learn. They're just out for a good time and I like to give them
some experience of helping.

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Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote

Hmmm... well, I mostly sail with novices and students. They have to learn
at some point, and this is one of the things they need to learn... how to
prevent this from happening.


Sure, but not having hang ups helps focus on other aspects of the timing.
Besides, lots of my deck apelets aren't actually ever going to learn.
They're just out for a good time and I like to give them some experience
of helping.

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Roger Long

While it's true that there are other aspects of timing, I think it's
important that they be aware of the pitfalls of snags. It's not a big deal,
and the issue is soon put to rest.

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"Capt. JG" wrote

While it's true that there are other aspects of timing, I think it's
important that they be aware of the pitfalls of snags. It's not a
big deal, and the issue is soon put to rest.

Agreed but I'm trying to figure out what works best and most smoothly,
same as everything else on the boat.

I'm curious though, do you think sheets that snag are essential to
have as a learning tool on a vessel where training is going on?

The founding chairman of the American Sail Training Association
Technical Committee and former board member dearly wants to know.

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Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote

While it's true that there are other aspects of timing, I think it's
important that they be aware of the pitfalls of snags. It's not a big
deal, and the issue is soon put to rest.

Agreed but I'm trying to figure out what works best and most smoothly,
same as everything else on the boat.

I'm curious though, do you think sheets that snag are essential to have as
a learning tool on a vessel where training is going on?

Certainly not. I just think it's a minor issue that isn't solved by
shackles, and if it does happen, it's a good learning experience.

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