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I still haven't been able to find any update on the search for Eclipse. I tried calling Woods Designs in England a few times but there's nobody there to answer the phone. If this boat hasn't been found then how wide would you expect the search area to be after 2 weeks ? |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... Ah, well, then for the other kind of stability, you should get a multi. :-) The ultimate in static stability, created by hull form rather than pendulum weight. Faithfully and quickly follows the contour of every passing wave. But, goes neutral at about 45 degrees heel. Also is also stable upside down. Like some wide-beamed long distance racers. A rare event, luckily. JimB |
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On 30 Jan 2006 22:46:54 -0800, "purple_stars"
wrote: so what's the story, does anybody know if this guy ever found his boat ? It will depend on wind and ocean currents, unlikely any time soon. |
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Bruce in Alaska wrote:
the REAL Law of the Sea is, "He who has the Biggest Guns present, decides what the Law is at that moment in time". I remenber back a decade or two the US and Canada were having a dispute over Pacific Red Salmon Fishing. The Canadians decided to charge US Flagged Fishing Vessels, transiting the Inside Passage between Washington and Alaska a "Transit Tax", and stated that they would enforce the collection of said "Tax" with Armed Canadian Coast Guard Vessels. What a load of BS. Canadian Coast Guard vessels are not armed. They tend buoys and do SAR. They have nothing to do with enforcing sovereignty. This would have been contrary to Ratified Treaties between the two Countries. This so incensed the two Senators from Washington State that "Scoop Jackson" stated on the Floor of the Senate, that if the Canadian Government did actuall act in this manner, the US would respond by convoying it's transiting Fishing Vessels and escort them with a Destroyers from Bremerton Navy Yard, and if a Candaian Coast Guard Vessel poiked it's bow over the horizion, the Destroyer would sink that ship, faster than the blink of an eye. Some two bit Senator said that and the US Navy would jump? BS. American warships aren't allowed to transit the Inside Passage without diplomatic clearances, just like we can't go down into Puget Sound without dip clearances. To do otherwise is an act of aggression. That threat, ended any talk of "Armed Canadian Coast Guard Vessels", and the US reimbused the collected "Tax" from fisherman, untill the Canadians stopped collecting it and repaid the US Government for ALL funds collected. Like many Americans, you write your own history. As I recall the problem was the disputed area between Canada and Alaska and the fact that US flagged fishing boats over fishing in the disputed area. Canada said that unless quotas were adhered to then US boats could no longer transit the Inside Passage (Canadian waters) between the lower 48 and Alaska. Of course we came to an amicable agreement without threats, although the border is still disputed. See: http://www.craigmarlatt.com/canada/c..._disputes.html For our disputed borders. "He who has the Biggest Guns present, decides what the Law is at that moment in time" Bruce in alaska Gaz in Canada |
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Wayne. B
Jan 29, 7:58 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising From: Wayne.B - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:58:42 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 29 2006 7:58 pm Subject: Mayday off coast of Mexico-rescued from catamaran Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:01:27 -0800, Evan Gatehouse wrote: Richard Woods (the skipper of the cat we're discussing) is British and his boat is UK Flagged - and this is international waters. What felony law would apply? Good question, and I have no idea. For US citizens it is clear cut: You are required to obey an order from a law enforcement officer, and the USCG qualifies as such. Once again Wayne B. is right on. The USCG and USN can stop anybody- anywhere- anytime, board you and drag your sorry ass to the brig. For the US gov there is no such thing as "international waters." They call it Drug Enforcment.Try this: you are sitting in some SE Asian country drinking a beer. Decide to take that cute girl up on her offer for a lilttle suckie suckie. Problem is she is a little young. The US can and has arrested US citizens for child rape while in another county. Do not pass go, Do not collets $200, Go directly to jail. The US has some very long arms. Bob |
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Bob wrote:
Wayne. B Jan 29, 7:58 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising From: Wayne.B - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:58:42 -0500 Local: Sun, Jan 29 2006 7:58 pm Subject: Mayday off coast of Mexico-rescued from catamaran Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:01:27 -0800, Evan Gatehouse wrote: Richard Woods (the skipper of the cat we're discussing) is British and his boat is UK Flagged - and this is international waters. What felony law would apply? Good question, and I have no idea. For US citizens it is clear cut: You are required to obey an order from a law enforcement officer, and the USCG qualifies as such. Once again Wayne B. is right on. The USCG and USN can stop anybody- anywhere- anytime, board you and drag your sorry ass to the brig. For the US gov there is no such thing as "international waters." They call it Drug Enforcment.Try this: you are sitting in some SE Asian country drinking a beer. Decide to take that cute girl up on her offer for a lilttle suckie suckie. Problem is she is a little young. The US can and has arrested US citizens for child rape while in another county. Do not pass go, Do not collets $200, Go directly to jail. The US has some very long arms. Bob You got that right! Some stupid young guy here in my home provinve started talking tash and threatening George W. on the internet. Next thing..the Secret Service called the Mounties and that kid was rounded up and charged. Not sure if his case has come before the courts yet. |
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Hello:
To bring this thread back to the start of this post................ I have met over the years people who say they have 45 years experience and hundreds of thousands of miles under their keel. We are lead to believe that experience and miles equals ability and knowledge. However, I have learned that "experienced " skippers may simply have repeated mistakes made their first year 30 times. The skipper of the cat in his own words: "....However, in 45 years of sailing and around 70,000 of offshore sailing, I have never had to stop sailing because of bad weather. So it had all been theory for me, until now...." Sounds as though the skipper of the cat has 45 years of very limited experiences and also learned little along the way. At least he was honest. I was reading an interesting account of the 1979 Fastnet fiasco a few years back. Read the quote below and ask yourself does experience equal skill? The following quote is from an interview with Bill Burrows, Chief Engineer Royal Navy Lifeboat Institution. He retrieved three disabled sailboats in a 21 hour rescue during the fatal 1979 Fastnet Storm. "... Look, you get 300 Yachats in poor weather and you're going to have some trouble, almost certainly. But the majority of the trouble was hysteria created by the situation and by inexperienced crews. And that it was. They were blaming rudders and such, but none of those rudders would have snapped if they had put drogues out and storm jibs and run before the weather. They were under bare poles, most of them, and they were getting up on the seas. And the seas were about 45 feet. NOT WHAT WE AROUND HERE CALL BIG. They got up on these seas and they were running. When the boats were starting to broach, what the helmsmen were doing was hauling on the rudders to stop them from broaching. They were putting too much bloody strain on the rudders, and they had to go. Yes, I know they were racing sailors, not cruising men, but that's no excuse. WE WENT OUT THAT NIGHT AND WE PASSED A LITTLE OLD HOOKER SORT OF THING WITH A FAMILY OF KIDS ABOARD AND THEY WERE GOING AWAY TO IRELAND WITH NO TROUBLE AT ALL...." Which brings me back to the topic of FREAK waves........... Some people actually learn something in their 45 years sailing others are only doomed to repeat their same mistakes until they get caught. The problem is that some skippers hide behind their "sea service" in hopes to sound important and knowledgeable. Its not how long you do something......Its what you learn along the way. Bob |
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