On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]


I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's
not often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or
recreational boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to
my books and think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

"Gary" wrote in message
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Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are. [Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's not
often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or recreational
boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to my books and
think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations. Sometimes
the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires some quick
thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in the midst of
significant traffic with a number of different types of vessels... anything
from tankers going in both directions, even three sometimes, to sailboats
and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and human power boats, and even
swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another boat
coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about the
kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I
apologize for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations. Sometimes
the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires some quick
thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in the midst of
significant traffic with a number of different types of vessels... anything
from tankers going in both directions, even three sometimes, to sailboats
and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and human power boats, and even
swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another boat
coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about the
kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening
and that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

"Gary" wrote in message
news:fd7bf.409721$oW2.156691@pd7tw1no...
I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize
for my
part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations.
Sometimes the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires
some quick thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in
the midst of significant traffic with a number of different types of
vessels... anything from tankers going in both directions, even three
sometimes, to sailboats and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and
human power boats, and even swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another
boat coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about
the kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA. Since this is a teaching situation, I try
not to get them into a situation that is going to be overwhelming. We look
at potential collision courses of the targets first, then I have them sort
out plans of action. You're right of course. Many times, it's not the
closest that one needs to be mindful of.. we also try and make an assessment
about the level of knowledge on the other boat. Sometimes it's a shock when
they do or don't do the right thing. :-)

Capt. JG wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
news:fd7bf.409721$oW2.156691@pd7tw1no...

I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize
for my

part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations.
Sometimes the situation is not straightforward of course, and it requires
some quick thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that we're in
the midst of significant traffic with a number of different types of
vessels... anything from tankers going in both directions, even three
sometimes, to sailboats and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies and
human power boats, and even swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for a
particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another
boat coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about
the kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.


Not familiar with the term CPA. Since this is a teaching situation, I try
not to get them into a situation that is going to be overwhelming. We look
at potential collision courses of the targets first, then I have them sort
out plans of action. You're right of course. Many times, it's not the
closest that one needs to be mindful of.. we also try and make an assessment
about the level of knowledge on the other boat. Sometimes it's a shock when
they do or don't do the right thing. :-)


Closest Point of Approach

"Gary" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Gary" wrote in message
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I think Brian is mostly referring to the bickering part - I apologize
for my

part in it.

I think it's generally a worthwhile discussion of RofR situations.
Sometimes the situation is not straightforward of course, and it
requires some quick thinking. When I'm teaching, it's not atypical that
we're in the midst of significant traffic with a number of different
types of vessels... anything from tankers going in both directions, even
three sometimes, to sailboats and cabin cruiser types, to small dinghies
and human power boats, and even swimmers.

I'll typically ask my students, who has stand-on or give way status for
a particular boat, say port over starboard, then ask them about another
boat coming from a different direction, then about the ferry, then about
the kayaker, etc. It makes for an interesting sail if nothing else.



When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you prioritize
them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a hard time explaining
to my watchkeepers that the closest is not always the most threatening
and that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.


Not familiar with the term CPA. Since this is a teaching situation, I try
not to get them into a situation that is going to be overwhelming. We
look at potential collision courses of the targets first, then I have
them sort out plans of action. You're right of course. Many times, it's
not the closest that one needs to be mindful of.. we also try and make an
assessment about the level of knowledge on the other boat. Sometimes it's
a shock when they do or don't do the right thing. :-)


Closest Point of Approach

Ahh... thanks. We don't do formal ones during the on-the-water class.
Eyeball only.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:
When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you
prioritize them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a
hard time explaining to my watchkeepers that the closest
is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA.

Jeeze, Jon, how did you get that license? Did you take a course?
(must of just been 6-pak, not master) I could understand if someone
from FL didn't know it, but in your area, as well as mine, you should
take fog seriously.

"Jeff" wrote in message
. ..
Capt. JG wrote:
When you are teaching multiple target situations, how do you
prioritize them? Do you run plots with time to CPA? I have a
hard time explaining to my watchkeepers that the closest
is not always the most threatening and
that whatever they do it has to not compound the next situation.

Not familiar with the term CPA.

Jeeze, Jon, how did you get that license? Did you take a course? (must of
just been 6-pak, not master) I could understand if someone from FL didn't
know it, but in your area, as well as mine, you should take fog seriously.

Never saw closest point of approach abbreviated. Got the license in the
usual way... box of cereal, right?

Fog seriously? Naw, just the big ships in it.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com