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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you
can quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on
the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my
mother had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of
the sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate
(so impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e.
requires much less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse
power than my engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow
thruster)and be sure you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out
there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people
here what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can
do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.

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Yeah, so? What's your point? I know the regs and clearly you can
quote
them. What are you trying to tell us here?

That you are an idiot.

Ah, a name caller. Well, ok then. You sure won that argument on the
merits.


No, just stating the obvious.

Yes, it's quite obvious what you are and why you're doing
it... PWCER!!!!

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Such anger. And my PWC has 350 CID and 330 hp. Big PWC.

Oh Billy,

What you have is still a little toy boat with the same engine my mother
had in her station wagon.

If it is a powered vessel less that 10kdwt or not over 4khp I won't
even list it my log as sea time.

You really should go take a safe boating course somewhere - anywhere.
In the mean time, if you really want to learn - go to

http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/navrules.htm

and buy or download a real copy of COMDTINST M16672.2
(by-the-by nothing you have said is supported between the covers.)

A man of much experience once said to me "The only thing required to
run one of those little motorboats is a credit rating."

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman and Licensed Mariner (Chf Stm & Mtr, Pilot 10k Grt
Lks, Mst VUS Offshore 100t)


So you are a drunk also.

Oh billy,
Again you show your true capability.
Please, quit while you still can.
You have demonstrated a amazingly clear lack of any understanding of the
sited Colregs. (This was a part of the exams for the cert listed.)
And, you have answered and proved finally and personaly to me a long
standing standing question I have had:

If man had not invented canned beer, would anybody have ever bother to
develop recreational powerboats?

You have just given proof positive on that account.

Now go play with your little toy boat that takes no skill to operate (so
impaired judgement is not and issue - so you believe - i.e. requires much
less capability than any sailing dink) and has less horse power than my
engines need to just crank (about a third of a bow thruster)and be sure
you watch out for those dangerous sailboats out there.

Demand your rights on the water and please, tell all teh good people here
what water you inhabit so we may avoid your kingdom.

Matt - see prior sig


So you turn when a sailboat crosses in front of your ship?

You sound 5 short blasts, go hard astern and turn. That's all you can do.

Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary

Does he have to use his horn, or does he do it naturally?

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DSK wrote:

Dr. Dr. Smithers wrote:


Doug,
Do you have any idea how narrow many channels are?
Take a look at the majority of the St. Law. Seaway.


Actually, that's VERY wide as channels go. Are you suggesting that you
cannot manage to drive your boat along a course and keep it within 100
yards or so of where it should be?

Are you also suggesting that going SLOW when close to other boat traffic
is not an option?


Don't know about St. Lawrence, but were we sail, the channel can be
less than 30 ft. wide in spots.

Is that the channel that you sail in? How small is your boat? In
channels like that it is even more important that you understand the basic
rules.
(b)In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to
all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances,
including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a
departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger.

Gary

Depends on the day. We usually sail in the SF bay, and there are channels in
the area that are quite narrow. Some less than 30 feet. Two boats can just
make passage at the same time.

I don't own a boat at the moment, but I teach on a Yamaha 30.

Where we keep her, the speed limit is 5 mph. Other places have nothing
posted, but it would be highly stupid to do much more than that.

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"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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ENUFF AWREDDY!!!!!!



Well Peggy, most should read your book. They are full of crap.

Peggy, I'm truly sorry for annoying you by this thread, and I apologize for
Bill. He can't help himself.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:


Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.
Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]


I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

"Capt. JG" wrote in
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Answer: PWCs are always at fault. They can't help it, they were built
that way.



I know someone who was passing a powerboat in a big PWC. The powerboat
idiot didn't look behind him to see who was passing him and turned to port,
into the PWC who ended up crashing into the port side of the powerboat.

The PWC rider successfully sued for a new ski, medical costs, lost wages,
etc., etc., after the DNR quoted the rules-of-the-road about maintaining
course and speed when being overtaken someone else posted here. DNR
investigated the accident and was not amused when the big powerboat rich
boy pointed out "It's just a PWC", as you hotheads infer.

The hotheaded attitudes displayed in this stupid thread over the hated PWC
is a mixture for disaster on the waterways. The PWC riders have just as
much rights to use the public's waterways as the millionaires in the
Azimuts. Just ask the PWCer's attorney....(c; Someone said he drooled
over this case when he found out how much money the powerboater was
worth...(c;

By the way, in SC, that PWC only needs be 50 ft away from your boat to run
full throttle past you....50 ft....Says so right in the boating manual.

Run over his little PWC. Make his day.....

--
Larry, 3rd Mate
S/V "Lionheart"

Jeff wrote in
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proper to pass within 15 feet of boats doing 25 MPH shouldn't be out
there.


It's 50 ft in South Carolina...just like for a dock. 200' from the marina.

--
Larry

Here are a couple of the applicable rules to consider.
Note the specific rule for vessels less than 20 metres or a sailing
vessel (any length) in a narrow channel.
Note the specific rule on overtaking in narrow channels.
There are also rules on safe speed which I am happy to provide to help
the discussion.

People with more savvy than any of use created and continue to improve
the rules. It is up to us to learn them.

Rule 9

Narrow Channels--International

(a)A vessel proceeding along the course of a narrow channel or fairway
shall keep as near to the outer limit of the channel or fairway which
lies on her starboard side as is safe and practicable.

(b)A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall
not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
a narrow channel or fairway.

(d)A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing
impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within
such channel or fairway. The latter vessel may use the sound signal
prescribed in Rule 34(d) if in doubt as to the intention of the crossing
vessel.

(e)(i)In a narrow channel or fairway when overtaking can take place only
if the vessel to be overtaken has to take action to permit safe passing,
the vessel intending to overtake shall indicate her intention by
sounding the appropriate signal prescribed in Rule 34(c)(i). The vessel
to be overtaken shall, if in agreement, sound the appropriate signal
prescribed in Rule 34(c)(ii) and take steps to permit safe passing. If
in doubt she may sound the signals prescribed in Rule 34(d).

(ii) This Rule does not relieve the overtaking vessel of her obligation
under Rule 13.

Rule 13

Overtaking--International

(a)Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of Part B, Sections I
and II, any vessel overtaking any other vessel shall keep out of the way
of the vessel being overtaken.

(d)Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels
shall not make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the
meaning of these Rules or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of
the overtaken vessel until she is finally past and clear.

Brian Whatcott wrote:
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:34:14 GMT, "Bill McKee"
wrote:



Doing nothing is not an option.

Gary


And you put your tanker on the rocks entering San Francisco bay.

Sure, we are all that stupid.

Sounds like you are.
[Bill]



I am tired of hearing you two bicker. Why don't you cut rec.boats.
building and rec.boats.cruising from your distribution?
Please?

PLEASE?

Brian Whatcott
p.s. You are both traceable - don't get me mad.

I hope I don't sound like I'm bickering. I am treating this thread as a
interesting Rules of the Road discussion and a bit of a review. It's
not often that I get to hear the point of view of amateurs or
recreational boaters on RofR situations. It is causing me to refer to
my books and think. Sorry if you aren't enjoying the thread.

Gary

"Bill McKee" wrote in message
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"Scotty" wrote in message
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"Don White" wrote
Not all sailors are familiar enough with the collision
regulations either.
In your case, sounds like you were overtaking him. You are
the
'giveway
boat'. That said, he has a responsibility to give you ample
time to
avoid a collision.

Well, he did, didn't he? Was there a collision?

SV



Barely.


But no collision, right?


Because I was not drunk like most times.


good for you.

SBV