We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to get a
new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used is
Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location (5
coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and that just
pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the water dry
off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is verboten.The paint is a
soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100% effectiveness all the way
through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly before
applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not guarantee the work
if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not feel
comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have always been
in San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or cracks, prime
bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3 coates at the
waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3 years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to get a
new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used is
Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location (5
coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and that just
pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the water dry
off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is verboten.The paint is a
soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100% effectiveness all the way
through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly before
applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not guarantee the work
if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not feel
comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would provide the
answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news
We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have always been in
San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or cracks, prime bare
spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3 coates at the waterline
and all leading edges. This is good for about 3 years on average, with
monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to get
a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used is
Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location (5
coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and that
just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the water
dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is verboten.The paint
is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100% effectiveness all the
way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not guarantee
the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

I found this reference on the web today:

-----------------quote---------------------------------------
Petit Ultima SR
Multi-Season ablative, rebunch without recoating formulated to provide the
best antifouling protection, along with ablative technology which allows for
controlled wearing away of paint film. This not only supplies a continuous
source of fresh biocides but will not build up on your boat, allowing for a
smoother slime-free surface with no sanding. Provides multi-season
protection even after winter storage.
-----------------unqt-----------------------------------------

Sounds like sanding is NOT required.

Claus
"just me" wrote in message
...
It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would provide
the answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news
We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have always been in
San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or cracks, prime
bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3 coates at the
waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3 years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to
get a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used is
Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location (5
coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and that
just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the water
dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is verboten.The paint
is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100% effectiveness all the
way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not
guarantee the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

Found the manufacturer's website at www.pettitpaint.com and sent them an
email requesting their recommendations.

Will post reply here.

Claus
"cvj" wrote in message
...
I found this reference on the web today:

-----------------quote---------------------------------------
Petit Ultima SR
Multi-Season ablative, rebunch without recoating formulated to provide the
best antifouling protection, along with ablative technology which allows
for controlled wearing away of paint film. This not only supplies a
continuous source of fresh biocides but will not build up on your boat,
allowing for a smoother slime-free surface with no sanding. Provides
multi-season protection even after winter storage.
-----------------unqt-----------------------------------------

Sounds like sanding is NOT required.

Claus
"just me" wrote in message
...
It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would provide
the answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news
We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have always been
in San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or cracks, prime
bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3 coates at the
waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3 years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to
get a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used
is Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location
(5 coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and
that just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the
water dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is
verboten.The paint is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100%
effectiveness all the way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not
guarantee the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

According to Pettit Paint, it is up to me whether I want to sand or not...so
I guess I won't..

But now I have a new question.....according to my Volvo engine manual, I am
cautioned against using a bottom paint containing Copper Oxide, as this
might encourage "galvanizing" of the propeller/sail dirve...AND
unfortunately, the Pettit Ultima SR does contain copper oxide...

So now I am back at the starting point.


"cvj" wrote in message
...
Found the manufacturer's website at www.pettitpaint.com and sent them an
email requesting their recommendations.

Will post reply here.

Claus
"cvj" wrote in message
...
I found this reference on the web today:

-----------------quote---------------------------------------
Petit Ultima SR
Multi-Season ablative, rebunch without recoating formulated to provide
the best antifouling protection, along with ablative technology which
allows for controlled wearing away of paint film. This not only supplies
a continuous source of fresh biocides but will not build up on your boat,
allowing for a smoother slime-free surface with no sanding. Provides
multi-season protection even after winter storage.
-----------------unqt-----------------------------------------

Sounds like sanding is NOT required.

Claus
"just me" wrote in message
...
It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would provide
the answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have always been
in San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or cracks,
prime bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3 coates at
the waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3 years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat yard to
get a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling paint used
is Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the location
(5 coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas ) and
that just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let the
water dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is
verboten.The paint is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains 100%
effectiveness all the way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not
guarantee the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

I would think you would treat a Saildrive like an outdrive unit and use
paint designed for aluminum - which will probably be a TBT based paint.
Use the Petit on the hull.

Eric

cvj wrote:
According to Pettit Paint, it is up to me whether I want to sand or
not...so
I guess I won't..

But now I have a new question.....according to my Volvo engine
manual, I am
cautioned against using a bottom paint containing Copper Oxide, as
this
might encourage "galvanizing" of the propeller/sail dirve...AND
unfortunately, the Pettit Ultima SR does contain copper oxide...

So now I am back at the starting point.


"cvj" wrote in message
...
Found the manufacturer's website at www.pettitpaint.com and sent
them an
email requesting their recommendations.

Will post reply here.

Claus
"cvj" wrote in message
...
I found this reference on the web today:

-----------------quote---------------------------------------
Petit Ultima SR
Multi-Season ablative, rebunch without recoating formulated to
provide
the best antifouling protection, along with ablative technology
which
allows for controlled wearing away of paint film. This not only
supplies
a continuous source of fresh biocides but will not build up on
your boat,
allowing for a smoother slime-free surface with no sanding.
Provides
multi-season protection even after winter storage.
-----------------unqt-----------------------------------------

Sounds like sanding is NOT required.

Claus
"just me" wrote in message
...
It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would
provide
the answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have
always been
in San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or
cracks,
prime bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3
coates at
the waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3
years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat
yard to
get a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling
paint used
is Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the
location
(5 coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas
) and
that just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let
the
water dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is
verboten.The paint is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains
100%
effectiveness all the way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom
lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not

guarantee the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I
do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO
sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ

"Red Cloud©" wrote in message
...
On 21 Mar 2005 19:52:08 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:37:02 GMT, Red Cloud© said:

You don't have to "grind off a layer", but you do need to scour the
surface to get it clean and assure a good job.

Doesn't the power wash take care of that problem generally?

This is the first year I've had an ablative on the bottom, so don't know
about that type paint, but for years I found that not sanding didn't have
much if any effect on adhesion of the non-ablative.

Powerwashing does not do what scouring does, for the same reason that
squirting
your teeth with a waterpic does not do what a toothbrush and floss can do.
It's
really not much work to scour the hull, so why even try to cut that
corner?

red

I agree with this. Powerwashing gets the crud off, but going over the bottom
with a Scotchbrite pad exposes a clean surface of paint that the new paint
can adhere to. I generally go over it lightly with a solvent like Interlux
202
(or is it 216) although I have been told by the boatyard workers that this
is
not necessary. Only takes a few of minutes so what the heck. Have never
had any problems.

Doug
s/v Callista

wrote in message
oups.com...
I would think you would treat a Saildrive like an outdrive unit and use
paint designed for aluminum - which will probably be a TBT based paint.
Use the Petit on the hull.

Eric

I thought TBT paint was illegal?

cvj wrote:
According to Pettit Paint, it is up to me whether I want to sand or
not...so
I guess I won't..

But now I have a new question.....according to my Volvo engine
manual, I am
cautioned against using a bottom paint containing Copper Oxide, as
this
might encourage "galvanizing" of the propeller/sail dirve...AND
unfortunately, the Pettit Ultima SR does contain copper oxide...

So now I am back at the starting point.


"cvj" wrote in message
...
Found the manufacturer's website at www.pettitpaint.com and sent
them an
email requesting their recommendations.

Will post reply here.

Claus
"cvj" wrote in message
...
I found this reference on the web today:

-----------------quote---------------------------------------
Petit Ultima SR
Multi-Season ablative, rebunch without recoating formulated to
provide
the best antifouling protection, along with ablative technology
which
allows for controlled wearing away of paint film. This not only
supplies
a continuous source of fresh biocides but will not build up on
your boat,
allowing for a smoother slime-free surface with no sanding.
Provides
multi-season protection even after winter storage.
-----------------unqt-----------------------------------------

Sounds like sanding is NOT required.

Claus
"just me" wrote in message
...
It would seem that a call to the manufacturer or their rep would
provide
the answer.

--

"Keith Hughes" wrote in message
news We've never found sanding to be necessary. Our boats have
always been
in San Diego, and we power wash, sand out chips, flakes or
cracks,
prime bare spots, and cover with 2 coats of paint to hull, 3
coates at
the waterline and all leading edges. This is good for about 3
years on
average, with monthly cleanings. In warmer water...I can't say.

Keith

cvj wrote:
We are about to take a 4-year old Bavaria 38 Ocean to a boat
yard to
get a new application of anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

The boat's previous owner advised us that "the antifouling
paint used
is Petit Ultima SR, applied over a blue signal (base) coat.

Apply 3 to 5 coats of red anti-foul paint, depending on the
location
(5 coats on leading edge of keel, stem, rudder, high wear areas
) and
that just pressure wash until the blue signal coat appears.

No surface prep is required other than the pressure wash - let
the
water dry off, and just roll on the new coat(s). Sanding is
verboten.The paint is a soft, copolymer ablative which retains
100%
effectiveness all the way through as it wears away"

The boat yard says that it is nexccessary to sand the bottom
lightly
before applying the anti-fouling paint...and that they will not

guarantee the work if the bottom is not sanded.

The previous owner has always been reliable in his advise and I
do not
feel comfortable going against his recommendation that NO
sanding is
permitted.

Comments???

CVJ