Sailct41 wrote:
Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons?
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DING! we have a winner folks
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Ok, is anyone else here experiencing deja vu? I keep seeing posts at least a
couple of times on successive visits. I know I read this one earlier, so it
was marked read and I shouldn't have seen it again, but here it is again,
new (for me). This is happening with other posts in the forum.

Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? going crazy, be back in five
minutes!

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Keith
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misery. -Spike Milligan
"prodigal1" wrote in message
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Sailct41 wrote:
Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons?
end_of_thread
DING! we have a winner folks
/end_of_thread

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 17:14:19 UTC, prodigal1 wrote:

Sailct41 wrote:
Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons?
end_of_thread
DING! we have a winner folks
/end_of_thread

Well, if like me you LIVE in Indonesia, you don't have much choice.
Then again, barring the Malacca Straits and Aceh area where the piracy
may be seen as 'taxation by the alternative government' (the GAM
rebels), Indonesia is a generally peaceful and safe place....

Another reason you might choose to cruise such areas is that you don't
like giving in to thugs .

Chris
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A very sensible question...

As far as people cruising by Yemen, I believe it is so they can enter Med
via the Suez canal and avoid a long an potentially hazardous rounding of the Horn.

Another fairly unavoidable trouble spot as I understand it is the straits of Malacca
through Indonesia. These only apply to circumnavigators of course.

Don W.

Sailct41 wrote:

Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons? I
read about a recent problem in the Red Sea and I wonder what the heck anyone
is doing there. It would seem better to spend time in a nice place rather
then some hell hole where everyone it considering killing you for your boat.
I know that if I had a shotgun or a machine gun I would not bring my wife
and children into that kind of situation. As a single man I have spent time
in many of the really bad parts of the world and had a good time but I would
never do it with my kids. What would be so wrong if you really wanted to
cruise the Phillipines to just hire a couple of armed guards. The same
would probably be possible in Thailand.
"rhys" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:07:56 -0500, Mike G
wrote:


IF you are not sure of a situation keep the firearm close at hand and
out of sight and don't go waving it around like it's a magic wand. Keep
it as your "ace in the hole".

If you don't think you can do that don't waste money on a firearm. It'll
only get you into more trouble then you would have been in without it.

Whatever one's stance on guns in yachts this is very, very good
advice. I haven't made up my mind yet, and I would have to train and
get dozens of permits, etc., but I do agree that if you bring it out,
don't stop shooting until everyone's dead or down.

Of course, if you're wrong and you've killed the crew of a harmless
bumboat, you'll rot in a tropical prison or make the Al-Jazeera
"Beheading of the Day", but that's the chance you take.

R.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2005 09:43:50 -0700, "Sailct41"
wrote:

Just a question from a novice cruiser but experienced ex-navy world
traveler, why would you want to cruise in areas where you need weapons?

You wouldn't, but see below.

I
read about a recent problem in the Red Sea and I wonder what the heck anyone
is doing there.


If you don't want to spend many weeks going halfway to Antarctica to
get into the Indian Ocean, or if you are in the Indian Ocean and don't
want to cruise the Med via Gibraltar several months late, the Red Sea
and the Suez are a logical shortcut if you don't care to cope with the
Roaring Forties. There's only so many ways to circumnavigate without
putting the boat on a tractor trailer (not that there's highways in
many otherwise colourful destinations), and the Red Sea transit, while
a difficult sail due to nav. hazards and frequently contrary winds, is
a fraction of doing what the Portuguese galleons did in the 1500s.

R.

a 12 Ga flair gun. Makes a damn good boarder repeller
"Mike G" wrote in message
ews.com...
In article
1111317563.a8a0fef5a95910e18e9eaa0f9662aab4@teran ews,
says...
The missus and I are preparing our boat and ourselves for
a RTW-trip
in a few years. My attention was drawn to the story of the
two yachts
that succesfully defended themselves from pirates in the
Yemen area.

In the ever ongoing weapons discussion I take a moderate
position.
I know I'll be on my own, in known risky places preferably
accompanied
by a few other yachts in a convoy. SSB is your friend
here...

But when problems do arise I want to have a choice.
Depending on the situation I want to make a choice between
a)
waving/using a gun and b) let it lie in it's place...,

So... In order to have this choice, I will have a weapon
on board, all
legal, with permits, in a locker thats sealed and locked
and I will
undergo without complaints the cumbersome customs-scenes
every time I
enter some new territory ....

My question is: what would be a good choice for a weapon ?
I am not a drilled marksman so I guess I'll choose a
shotgun, as the
yacht in the aforementioned story had chosen. When I
google around a
bit this pump action Mossberg M590A1comes up pretty often.
Together
with 00-rounds this would be a helpful combination I
guess.

Can anyone add comments, experiences or advice ?
Please feel free to send your answer to my private email
if you don't
want to post in this group.

Regards,
Len.



Can't give you legal but I had a buddy that asked me the
same question
for the same reason.

My choice would be a sawed off or short as possible, read
that riot gun
which would probably be legal, 12 Ga pump shotgun loaded
with #4 bird
shot.

At the ranges found on most boats the shotgun will require
no great
feats of marksmanship, the #4 shot will be deadly, and
collateral damage
from over penetration would be minimized.

Sawed off or riot gun because a full barreled shotgun would
be awkward
to wield in the tight confines of a boat.

You would not be picking them off at any great distance with
the gun but
it's be hell on a small boat packed with people when they
got up close,
and there isn't any sound quite as intimidating as the one
of a shell
being racked into the chamber of a shotgun.

IMPORTANT NOTES

If you should run into circumstance where such force was
necessary and
used it but failed to kill or seriously maim all the bad
guys or,
unlikely but possible, intimidate them into leaving, when
they do gain
control of the boat it is quite possible they may be just a
tad put out
with you and inclined to show it.

Really bad bad guys tend to be skeptical of good guys with
guns. It's a
moral thing. If you should run into a time when you REALLY
REALLY think
you need to use the gun don't do anything stupid like
telling them to go
away or you'll shoot or put up their hands. Keep your mouth
shut and
start blasting. don't stop till there is no one left
standing. You'll
only have five shots in the magazine so practice speed
loading.

IF you are not sure of a situation keep the firearm close at
hand and
out of sight and don't go waving it around like it's a magic
wand. Keep
it as your "ace in the hole".

If you don't think you can do that don't waste money on a
firearm. It'll
only get you into more trouble then you would have been in
without it.

Good luck

--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods

www.heirloom-woods.net

"Boots" wrote in :

the #4 shot will be deadly, and
collateral damage
from over penetration would be minimized.



I picture a whole new thread starting, now.....

"How to get blood and guts off gelcoat and Sunbrella covered seats"

or.....

"Are they blisters, or just pits caused by buckshot?"

"Len" wrote in message
snip.....
My question is: what would be a good choice for a weapon ?
I am not a drilled marksman so I guess I'll choose a shotgun, as the
yacht in the aforementioned story had chosen. When I google around a
bit this pump action Mossberg M590A1comes up pretty often. Together
with 00-rounds this would be a helpful combination I guess.

Why limit yourself to one? I'd have the shotgun for in close, but also
something with 'range'...just in case they stay a bit off and take pot shots
at you.

Mossburg used to make a 12 ga. with a switchab le barrel and stock. I
think the short barrel was just legal (18.25 in.??). The standard
stock could be replaced with a pistol stock by simply unscrewing one
and screwing the other on. It was a an exccellent defensive weapon
and moderately priced. I think it was a pump action.

http://www.mossberg.com/pcatalog/Specpurp.htm Pistol grips available, the
mariner model can be had with a 9 shot capacity. Add some nasty ammo from
http://www.firequest.com/
and you're all set.

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Keith
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You never really learn to swear until you learn to drive.
"Joe Bleau" wrote in message
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Mossburg used to make a 12 ga. with a switchab le barrel and stock. I
think the short barrel was just legal (18.25 in.??). The standard
stock could be replaced with a pistol stock by simply unscrewing one
and screwing the other on. It was a an exccellent defensive weapon
and moderately priced. I think it was a pump action.