John,

Is methyl-hydrate... methyl-alcohol ?

Did you just have a small fan in the vicinity of the Origo or what ?

Did you erect and dismantle your chimney with each Origo usage or was it
a permanent installation ?

I have a HEAT-PAL and am ignorant of any negative combustion consequence
which is not mentioned on Origo's site.

What specifically are the combustion products, please ?

I have a propane heat system but don't want to sleep under it and was
hoping the Origo might at least not be a combustion products hazard,
though I realize any hydrocarbon heat source is a fire hazard.

I'm in Eastern Canada right now.

Cordially,
Courtney



John wrote:

Hi Courtney,
I had a boat that was for sale and I didn't want to install a
furnace. I had a single burner Origo and made up a
chimney using a large can and 3/4 " copper pipe which vented out the
main hatch or porthole. I used a small fan
to circulate the warm air. I was absolutely amazed at the amount of
heat (West Coast of Canada) that this produced.
and although I went through plenty of methyl hydrate, I did try a
heat pal (Origo) once and even that worked well but I much preferred to
vent the exhaust due to health concerns/safety. hope this helps
cheers john

Courtney Thomas wrote:

Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

Thank you,
Courtney





--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

Hi again,
I was reading some of the other threads on this and thought I would
also pass along this. It is best if you never let the Origo run out of
fuel. I used a timer to prevent this from happening too often. It
ruins the absorbtion material. Also,
be careful what you burn in it. Some meythl hydrate burns with a
distict odor which irritates the eyes. Less of a problem when system is
vented to the outside. In Canada, we have two main suppliers of the
fuel. One works and the other has a distinct odor. Never use
pressurized stove alcohol. It works but the smell is unbearable. Also,
it is much more expensive. In Canada, the two suppliers have different
jugs. One is clear plastic (lousy) and the other is in a white 4 litre
jug with pink labels (excellent) fyi cheers j

Courtney Thomas wrote:

Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

Thank you,
Courtney

JOHN,

Who is the vendor of the white 4 liter container w/pink label ?

Thanks once more for the help.

Cordially,
Courtney



John wrote:

Hi again,
I was reading some of the other threads on this and thought I would
also pass along this. It is best if you never let the Origo run out of
fuel. I used a timer to prevent this from happening too often. It
ruins the absorbtion material. Also,
be careful what you burn in it. Some meythl hydrate burns with a
distict odor which irritates the eyes. Less of a problem when system is
vented to the outside. In Canada, we have two main suppliers of the
fuel. One works and the other has a distinct odor. Never use
pressurized stove alcohol. It works but the smell is unbearable. Also,
it is much more expensive. In Canada, the two suppliers have different
jugs. One is clear plastic (lousy) and the other is in a white 4 litre
jug with pink labels (excellent) fyi cheers j

Courtney Thomas wrote:

Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

Thank you,
Courtney





--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

I'm not sure if I have seen a response yet about filling the old style w/
the red "bucket" as you describe it.
I have 2 of these, and I use a 1 liter aluminum fuel bottle I got from a
camping supplier to keep the alcohol in. You can pour the alcohol in the
"tank" w/o spilling it.
I will look around because I should have the instruction sheet somewhere.
May take me a while, but in the meantime, I can tell you that the maximum
amount of alcohol that is supposed tobe in the "tank" is such that if you
stand the tank on its edge (so the base is oriented in a vertical plane), no
alcohol will run out. You don't fill it slam up.
I've never slept with it burning.

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

Thank you,
Courtney
--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

Thanks Garland.

I look forward to a copy of the instruction sheet.

I have a Coleman funnel w/filter that fits perfectly into the vertical
tank orifice. I also have a couple of the aluminum bottles you mentioned
too and will use them as do you.

Gratefully,
Courtney



Garland Gray II wrote:

I'm not sure if I have seen a response yet about filling the old style w/
the red "bucket" as you describe it.
I have 2 of these, and I use a 1 liter aluminum fuel bottle I got from a
camping supplier to keep the alcohol in. You can pour the alcohol in the
"tank" w/o spilling it.
I will look around because I should have the instruction sheet somewhere.
May take me a while, but in the meantime, I can tell you that the maximum
amount of alcohol that is supposed tobe in the "tank" is such that if you
stand the tank on its edge (so the base is oriented in a vertical plane), no
alcohol will run out. You don't fill it slam up.
I've never slept with it burning.

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...

Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

Thank you,
Courtney
--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619






--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:04:21 -0500, Courtney Thomas
wrote:

Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?

======================================

I am very wary of any combustion heater that does not vent to the
outside. At the least you need a CO monitor and alarm but there are
other risks such as oxygen deprivation and poisoning from combustion
byproducts.

Wayne,

Thank you for your take on this matter.

Do you know where I can find the exact combustion byproducts of an Origo
and in what amounts they are produced ?

Cordially,
Courtney


Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 23:04:21 -0500, Courtney Thomas
wrote:


Have come into an old single burner and am considering it as a backup
source.

Opinions, caveats, advice ?


======================================

I am very wary of any combustion heater that does not vent to the
outside. At the least you need a CO monitor and alarm but there are
other risks such as oxygen deprivation and poisoning from combustion
byproducts.




--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:42:59 -0500, Courtney Thomas
wrote:

Do you know where I can find the exact combustion byproducts of an Origo
and in what amounts they are produced ?

====================================

Unfortunately I do not, and they almost surely depend on conditions
and the quality of the fuel used. Not all alchohol is created equal.
:-)

My comment is primarily directed at heating, not cooking. As a
cooking unit the Origo's seem to perform very well and combustion
products although present, are not as big a concern. Virtually any
unvented flame can produce carbon monoxide under the right conditions,
and sleeping with a heater on is not something I'd recommend, even
with a CO detector.

Courtney Thomas wrote:

Do you know where I can find the exact combustion byproducts of an Origo
and in what amounts they are produced ?


Courtney ,

Any time you have a flame below decks you should use caution. A
CO detector and good fire extinguishers are good ideas on *any*
boat. Don't let the people who've never used these heaters/stoves
convince you that they're dangerous.

I don't know the exact proportions of gases - perhaps you can
find out from Origo. I can say that we've never had a problem
using our Heat Pal, even while we are sleeping. Alcohol is a very
efficient fuel and I think that the amount of CO produced is very
low. We've found that different brands of fuel will have more or
less smell and those smells probably mean that extra gases are
being produced. I think this has to do with impurities in the
fuel. There are some types of fuel that smell so bad we won't use
without having the companionway open. I also believe that the
quality of fuel is related to the amount of water vapor produced.
The Origo brand fuel seems to be the best, but it is very
expensive. I suspect that a filled cartridge can pull water out
of the air, so we keep ours in a plastic bag when we're not using it.

The worst problems we've ever had with our Heat Pal are running
out of alcohol half way through a two week trip, and water vapor
condensing on the aluminum hatch frame and dripping on our faces
while we sleep.

Cindy

(I should disclose that we're looking into getting a Sigmar
diesel heater.)

These guys have a really good CO monitor:
http://www.aeromedix.com/?_siteid=ae...n=cat&catid=co

--


Keith
__
A penny saved is a government oversight.
"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Courtney Thomas wrote:

Do you know where I can find the exact combustion byproducts of an Origo
and in what amounts they are produced ?


Courtney ,

Any time you have a flame below decks you should use caution. A CO
detector and good fire extinguishers are good ideas on *any* boat. Don't
let the people who've never used these heaters/stoves convince you that
they're dangerous.

I don't know the exact proportions of gases - perhaps you can find out
from Origo. I can say that we've never had a problem using our Heat Pal,
even while we are sleeping. Alcohol is a very efficient fuel and I think
that the amount of CO produced is very low. We've found that different
brands of fuel will have more or less smell and those smells probably mean
that extra gases are being produced. I think this has to do with
impurities in the fuel. There are some types of fuel that smell so bad we
won't use without having the companionway open. I also believe that the
quality of fuel is related to the amount of water vapor produced. The
Origo brand fuel seems to be the best, but it is very expensive. I suspect
that a filled cartridge can pull water out of the air, so we keep ours in
a plastic bag when we're not using it.

The worst problems we've ever had with our Heat Pal are running out of
alcohol half way through a two week trip, and water vapor condensing on
the aluminum hatch frame and dripping on our faces while we sleep.

Cindy

(I should disclose that we're looking into getting a Sigmar diesel
heater.)