How did the "captain's compass" get into the "Air-X marine wind generator"
thread?
Kind of annoying.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Evan Gatehouse" wrote in message
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"rhys" wrote in message

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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed
bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap"
tactic G

R.

That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind
you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source?


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:46:50 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:

How did the "captain's compass" get into the "Air-X marine wind generator"
thread?
Kind of annoying.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug, your newsreader or news serverr has scrambled your message list.
This thread is properly called "Captain's Compass".

I suggest to fix it you delete this group as subscribed, then
RE-subscribe, which will bring you several months' worth of messages.
Delete from the beginning to, say, the last month (Oct 30). This will
preserve all threads currently in play (likely that you are following)
and the NEXT time you download news group messages, you should see
that all messages are where they should be.

R.

rhys wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:46:50 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:


How did the "captain's compass" get into the "Air-X marine wind generator"
thread?
Kind of annoying.

Doug
s/v Callista


Doug, your newsreader or news serverr has scrambled your message list.
This thread is properly called "Captain's Compass".

I suggest to fix it you delete this group as subscribed, then
RE-subscribe, which will bring you several months' worth of messages.
Delete from the beginning to, say, the last month (Oct 30). This will
preserve all threads currently in play (likely that you are following)
and the NEXT time you download news group messages, you should see
that all messages are where they should be.

R.

Doug

Don't bother unsubscribing and resubscribing.

Further up someone mentioned that they could view their LED based amp
output from the wind genny from their v berth and could guestimate wind
speed without getting out of bed. From there someone else suggested
checking a compass too, presumably to see if they had swung at anchor.
Hence the change of subject. At least they changed the subject line so
you can avoid reading it. That's not always done.

Anyway thread divergence at that point was inevitable. If you wait long
enough the discussion will turn to guns aboard (within reach of the bunk
of course).

: )

Jimmy

James wrote in
:

rhys wrote:
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:46:50 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:


How did the "captain's compass" get into the "Air-X marine wind
generator" thread?
Kind of annoying.

Doug
s/v Callista


Doug, your newsreader or news serverr has scrambled your message
list. This thread is properly called "Captain's Compass".

I suggest to fix it you delete this group as subscribed, then
RE-subscribe, which will bring you several months' worth of messages.
Delete from the beginning to, say, the last month (Oct 30). This will
preserve all threads currently in play (likely that you are
following) and the NEXT time you download news group messages, you
should see that all messages are where they should be.

R.

Doug

Don't bother unsubscribing and resubscribing.

Further up someone mentioned that they could view their LED based amp
output from the wind genny from their v berth and could guestimate
wind speed without getting out of bed. From there someone else
suggested checking a compass too, presumably to see if they had swung
at anchor. Hence the change of subject. At least they changed the
subject line so you can avoid reading it. That's not always done.

Anyway thread divergence at that point was inevitable. If you wait
long enough the discussion will turn to guns aboard (within reach of
the bunk of course).

: )

Jimmy

Did I also mention that I have a RayMarine MaxiView display that I can
also see from the berth and I can program it to display any of the
instrument data such as wind/depth/course/speed/etc? :-)

-- Geoff

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:06:58 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

Did I also mention that I have a RayMarine MaxiView display that I can
also see from the berth and I can program it to display any of the
instrument data such as wind/depth/course/speed/etc? :-)

Actually, I think that's an excellent idea, but I rolled my own. See
the crass commercial message in my sig. :-) I've been asked to
extend the program with an intelligent anchor watch. Something
that would suppress spurious alarms when the gps loses lock for
a few seconds. I'd never have thought of that myself, but it's a
fact that I've never had a complete night without my gps deciding
Scotty beamed me a few hundred yards in some random direction.
Which causes OziExplorer's otherwise excellent anchor watch to
start screaming.

It's doable, but the data filtering will be tricky. I've found that
you can't always trust the gps to notice that it's lost accuracy, so
I'll have to implement some kind of statistical filter that ignores
the big jumps but notices a small steady drift.

I haven't quite worked out how to handle wind and current reversals
yet. If you could do that, you could tighten the safe distance quite
a bit. It seems that treating the safe swing area as a circle around
your current position, as anchor alarms do, is wrong. It's really a
circle around the anchor's position. Maybe a bearing and distance to
the anchor float could be used as an offset to current position?
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, "Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson"
wrote:

It's doable, but the data filtering will be tricky. I've found that
you can't always trust the gps to notice that it's lost accuracy, so
I'll have to implement some kind of statistical filter that ignores
the big jumps but notices a small steady drift.

My recent GPS experience differs from yours, tracking pretty steadily
without glitchy jumps.

I haven't quite worked out how to handle wind and current reversals
yet. If you could do that, you could tighten the safe distance quite
a bit. It seems that treating the safe swing area as a circle around
your current position, as anchor alarms do, is wrong. It's really a
circle around the anchor's position. Maybe a bearing and distance to
the anchor float could be used as an offset to current position?

I have some very convincing GPS tracks watching my boat swing around
its anchor, showing the circle around the anchor. I like having the
alarm wake me in the night even if it's just a swing through a
significant chunk of arc. I also like having the GPS maintaining it's
display track right by my berth. It's very reassuring to look over and
see my position smack in the middle of hours of accumulated data.

Ryk

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:58:21 -0500, Ryk
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, "Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson"
wrote:

It's doable, but the data filtering will be tricky. I've found that
you can't always trust the gps to notice that it's lost accuracy, so
I'll have to implement some kind of statistical filter that ignores
the big jumps but notices a small steady drift.

My recent GPS experience differs from yours, tracking pretty steadily
without glitchy jumps.

Perhaps you have a superior antenna setup to the customer who
requested the function. There are a lot of people out there feeding
their laptop with an old Garmin 48 mounted in the cabin.

I haven't quite worked out how to handle wind and current reversals
yet. If you could do that, you could tighten the safe distance quite
a bit. It seems that treating the safe swing area as a circle around
your current position, as anchor alarms do, is wrong. It's really a
circle around the anchor's position. Maybe a bearing and distance to
the anchor float could be used as an offset to current position?

I have some very convincing GPS tracks watching my boat swing around
its anchor, showing the circle around the anchor. I like having the
alarm wake me in the night even if it's just a swing through a
significant chunk of arc. I also like having the GPS maintaining it's
display track right by my berth. It's very reassuring to look over and
see my position smack in the middle of hours of accumulated data.

Yes, that's the way Ozi works as well, and pretty much what I would
do, as a default.

But you raise a good point. The function should be highly
configurable as to what the user considers to be a valid wakeup call.

That's really the hard part. As a start, allow the user to select
"Alarm on drag" and/or "Alarm on swing", then implement the two
algorithms, and add all the needed options.

It gets complex, especially given that there's probably not much of a
market for the feature. I could knock out a simple "me too" alarm
tonight, but where's the fun in that? It might be a better candidate
for freeware than shareware though



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To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 19:03:59 GMT, "Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson"
wrote:

Actually, I think that's an excellent idea, but I rolled my own. See
the crass commercial message in my sig. :-) I've been asked to
extend the program with an intelligent anchor watch. Something
that would suppress spurious alarms when the gps loses lock for
a few seconds. I'd never have thought of that myself, but it's a
fact that I've never had a complete night without my gps deciding
Scotty beamed me a few hundred yards in some random direction.
Which causes OziExplorer's otherwise excellent anchor watch to
start screaming.

If your GPS produces a spurious jump when it loses lock, I think a new
GPS is in order. I have been using GPS receivers for 15 years, and
have never had anything like that happen.

I have seen them keep the last readout, blinking the display. The
blinking wouldn't show up on the NMEA, I suppose, but the unchanging
readout would fail as an anchor alarm if you actually were adrift.

What kind of reciever did what you describe?

Another thing. Where are you anchoring that it loses lock nowadays,
with 24 sats active? When I had a 6-channel receiver it would lose
lock all the time in a Manhattan bus, but never on the boat.

At that time "Selective Availability" would have made it useless as an
anchor alarm, but that is a separate issue, still long behind us. WIth
luck it will stay that way.

Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

The destruction of the World Trade Center was
a faith-based initiative. -- George Carlin

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:35:51 -0500, James wrote:


Anyway thread divergence at that point was inevitable. If you wait long
enough the discussion will turn to guns aboard (within reach of the bunk
of course).

Actually, it just did. :-)


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To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Sorry, didn't work. Everything is still the same.

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:46:50 -0500, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:

How did the "captain's compass" get into the "Air-X marine wind generator"
thread?
Kind of annoying.

Doug
s/v Callista

Doug, your newsreader or news serverr has scrambled your message list.
This thread is properly called "Captain's Compass".

I suggest to fix it you delete this group as subscribed, then
RE-subscribe, which will bring you several months' worth of messages.
Delete from the beginning to, say, the last month (Oct 30). This will
preserve all threads currently in play (likely that you are following)
and the NEXT time you download news group messages, you should see
that all messages are where they should be.

R.