I don't know why the issue of lowering my mast is relevant.

yup. that is why everyone on the planet considers you stew ped.

It is locks with a tide gate,

not according to the United States Coast Guard, nor according the the United
States Army Corps of Engineers, but who are they to know?

jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, are never going to see the
Shinnecock Canal and most certainly are never going to transit the Shinnecock
Canal with your training wheels. Please don't bother to ever again comment on
this subject.

according to the Coast Pilot, Suffolk County
who owns
and operates it, and various people who have gone through it.

not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps
of Engineers.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/17/2004 1:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at
both ends, then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

Shen

in other words, no.

Wayne.B
Date: 10/17/2004 10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B
On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.


Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock.
The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't
always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both gates
open?).
Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and since
he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put
another of his stupid arguments in the junk file.

Shen

shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E
says. but what do they know, right?

There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the gate
is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe
sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose.

btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which
was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/18/2004 12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B
On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote:

Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate
at
both ends

Yes

then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are
either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber?

There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal
current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found
at river dams.

If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open
the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that.


Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock.
The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't
always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both
gates
open?).
Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and
since
he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put
another of his stupid arguments in the junk file.

Shen

hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from
the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper
Bob's.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army
Corps
of Engineers.


Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do?

You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to
another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries...


--
Okay...who has those damned WMDs?

JAXAshby wrote:
hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from
the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper
Bob's.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army
Corps
of Engineers.


Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do?

You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to
another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries...


Stay on point, Jackass. Whether I've "seen" that inlet matters not. The
point is that you've been raving about Shinnecock Canal for years, and,
as usual, what you rave about doesn't rise above the level of almost
useless information. Your M.O. is to make some outrageous statement or
to split some hair and see how much you can mix it up. The end result
adds nothing to anyone's knowledge base.

- - -

Future historians will note that the demise of the United States of
America began during the reign of George W. Bush.

While jaxie "claims" the CG and Corps say there's no lock, where's what the latest
Coast Pilot says. It seems rather definitive to me. Since the Corps doesn't run
these locks, why would they have anything to say? And it should be easy to find a
reference to the locks or gates on the CG or Corps sites, but curiously, there is
nothing.

And besides, is there anyone in the world that would believe Jaxie over Skipper Bob?


http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf
Chart 12352
10) Shinnecock Canal, 31.5 miles southwestward of
Montauk Point, is about 1 mile long and connects
Great Peconic Bay with Shinnecock Bay. The canal is
owned and maintained by Suffolk County of New York.
It is a partly dredged cut and is protected at the north
entrance by two jetties; the east jetty is marked by a
light. In April 1985, the east timber jetty was reported
to be deteriorating. Protruding timbers and floating
debris may be encountered; caution is advised. A lock
about midway in the canal is 250 feet long, 41 feet wide,
with a depth of 12 feet over the sills. Tide gates are par-
allel to and westward of the lock. The lock gates and
tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to allow the current to set south through the
canal and closes them to prevent water from
Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay.
The lock gates are tended 24 hours and are opened me-
chanically when the tidal current is flowing northward
to allow the passage of boats. Red and green traffic lights
are at each end of the lock. Vessels are allowed to
enter the lock only on the green signal.
11) The fixed bridges and overhead power cables across
the canal have a least clearance of 22 feet. Mast-step-
ping cranes are available at both ends of the canal.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from
the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper
Bob's.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army
Corps
of Engineers.


Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do?

You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to
another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries...


--
Okay...who has those damned WMDs?

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E
says. but what do they know, right?

Why would I look under the USCG for their comments? First off, I can't see
where they'd care one way or the other. Secondly, I'm not sure under what part
of the USCG it would be covered .... mayhaps, in your infinite wisdom you could
direct me to the relevant USCG pub, etc. that states such.
As for the Corp, they can and will call it anything their engineering
responsibilities may dictate as advantageous to them.
I.e., I wouldn't call either of your above sources, as the "final word" for the
purposes of this discussion.
Now, if you'd included NOAA......


There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the
gate
is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe
sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose.

Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that?


btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which
was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938.

......And this has what to do with the price of tea?.... or is this a vain
attempt to impress us with your local knowledge?

Shen