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Shinnecock Inlet
For a cruise south from Peconic Bay, Long Island, going through the
Shinnecock Canal and Shinnecock Inlet would save many miles. Research says the canal is fine by locking through, but the little available on the Inlet says don't do it without local knowledge. Any advice on navigating the Inlet is appreciated. |
the currents can be swift indeed, and the mast must come if you are a sailboat.
btw, while there is a "gate" there sometimes closed to prevent wholesale flooding of the bay with sea water (higher salt content than the bay), that gate is in no way an actual lock, though there are some who like to think the place is the Suez Canal btw, Hampton Bays is decidedly shallow except for marked channel, and sometimes there even. btw-2, taking down the mast and putting it up are a DIY operation, with manual equipment at each end. For a cruise south from Peconic Bay, Long Island, going through the Shinnecock Canal and Shinnecock Inlet would save many miles. Research says the canal is fine by locking through, but the little available on the Inlet says don't do it without local knowledge. Any advice on navigating the Inlet is appreciated. For a cruise south from Peconic Bay, Long Island, going through the Shinnecock Canal and Shinnecock Inlet would save many miles. Research says the canal is fine by locking through, but the little available on the Inlet says don't do it without local knowledge. Any advice on navigating the Inlet is appreciated. |
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Shinnecock is a lock.
not according to the United States Coast Guard, but who are they to know? the locals, however, think of it as the Suez Canal. |
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
... Shinnecock is a lock. not according to the United States Coast Guard, but who are they to know? How about the Coast Pilot? It certainly describes it as locks, though they are left open during the southern set. http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf page 360 or, you could look at http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm the locals, however, think of it as the Suez Canal. |
jeffie, phew ped stuck that he is, makes my point thusly:
"Jeff Morris" Date: 10/15/2004 10:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock. not according to the United States Coast Guard, but who are they to know? How about the Coast Pilot? It certainly describes it as locks, though they are left open during the southern set. http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf page 360 or, you could look at http://www.boatli.org/locks.htm the locals, however, think of it as the Suez Canal. |
Shinnecock is a lock
Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? |
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong.
"Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is yet
another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance. If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you don't, you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the
highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they? jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as insightful fact. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is yet another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance. If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you don't, you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
On 16 Oct 2004 14:09:40 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:
jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as insightful fact. ============================== The people who make the charts also seem to think so: http://tinyurl.com/6ncpg LOCK WIDTH 41 FT. LENGTH 250 FT. But what do they know? |
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
... jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There are a number of sites that refer to the locks. And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what they say. btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the Charles River, their operation is no great mystery. Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there, and probably have never seen a lock in operation. Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they? jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as insightful fact. A blog is infinately more trustworthy than your advice, jaxie! What's your record now? About zero for a thousand? You're a chronic liar, jaxie. When you don't know what's going on, (which is most of the time) you just make it up. BTW, are you claiming the Suez Canal has locks? Guess that's another thing you don't know about. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is yet another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance. If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you don't, you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty!
From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There are a number of sites that refer to the locks. And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what they say. btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the Charles River, their operation is no great mystery. Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there, and probably have never seen a lock in operation. Gee, the blogs didn't mention that, did they? jeffies, the only people who think the SC has a lock are locals trying to make it sound like the Suez Canal, and people such as yourself who read blogs as insightful fact. A blog is infinately more trustworthy than your advice, jaxie! What's your record now? About zero for a thousand? You're a chronic liar, jaxie. When you don't know what's going on, (which is most of the time) you just make it up. BTW, are you claiming the Suez Canal has locks? Guess that's another thing you don't know about. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 9:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I quoted the Coast Pilot, but you didn't believe it. Face it jaxie, this is yet another topic where you've demonstrated your ignorance. If you can provide a source for your claims, why don't you do so? If you don't, you're just admitting you acted like a 5 year-old and made it up. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, resorts to quoting a blog to "prove" the USCG is wrong. "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 7:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... Shinnecock is a lock Not according to the Army Corps of Engineers. But what do they know? Not much about this lock. But that could be because they don't maintain it. Here's one account of the locks from: http://www.whaler.com/REC/WhalerTour...?content=log25 "Shinnecock Bay lay to the south of the marina, and entering it requires going through the Shinnecock canal, which is about a mile and half long. Mid-way through the canal is the dreaded Shinnecock Lock. Ordinarily the lock operates like any other; the boats enter, the gates on one end close, and once the water is raised or lowered, the gates on the opposite end open so that the boats can exit. However, twice a day for about six hours, the gates remain open. The current rushes through at nearly five knots and boaters test their skill as they try to traverse the tricky canal. On our first trip through, Kevin, one of the salesmen, was aboard and we appreciated his advice. Local knowledge, always invaluable, was never so much appreciated as we negotiated our way through the canal, through the lock, and into the Bay. " |
I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to much of a coward to even admit your name. Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to much work for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other places I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've been in. And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly transit the Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as strong. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty! From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There are a number of sites that refer to the locks. And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what they say. btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the Charles River, their operation is no great mystery. Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there, and probably have never seen a lock in operation. |
jeffies, it is a gate, not a lock, according to both the CG and CofEng, and it
is open most of the time. However, few boat capable of being taken offshore have masts easily taken down and put back up by the vessel's crew using DIY manual equipment at each of the the canal. Keep in mind, jeffies, that Hampton Bay was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938 and even today is a decidedly shallow body of water with a constantly shifting bottom and a often barely sufficient depth channel that moves around a lot and an outlet to the ocean often with nasty standing waves wind against the current in a highly changeable channel. Here is what Shinnecock Inlet has looked like over the years. http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...3?inlet=Shinne cock&state=New+York&district=New+York What it looks like today is much different, and what it looks like after the next storm will be different again. you wanna go through there jeffies? get a SeaTow membership. now, about you and your wife dropping the mast on your boat, and then 20 minutes later putting it back up, you fumb duck. Just to get to the northern edge of the Shinnecock Canal you must first negoiate the currents either side of Shelter Island, motor many miles across Great Peconic Bay and then Little Peconic Bay taking great care to avoid the shallow spots. jeffies, even in your training wheels and even with your utter lack of ordinary intellgience *you* wouldn't do something like that. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 1:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to much of a coward to even admit your name. Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to much work for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other places I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've been in. And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly transit the Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as strong. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty! From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There are a number of sites that refer to the locks. And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what they say. btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the Charles River, their operation is no great mystery. Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there, and probably have never seen a lock in operation. |
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
... jeffies, it is a gate, not a lock, according to both the CG and CofEng, and it It is locks with a tide gate, according to the Coast Pilot, Suffolk County who owns and operates it, and various people who have gone through it. You have failed to show any evidence to the contrary, again demonstrating you're a fool and a liar. The rest of this is meaningless gibberish. Since I never claimed any desire to take my boat through I don't know why the issue of lowering my mast is relevant. Its pretty clear that you're terrified of operating any vessel in close quarters, or in strong currents, so its just as well that you don't have a boat. is open most of the time. However, few boat capable of being taken offshore have masts easily taken down and put back up by the vessel's crew using DIY manual equipment at each of the the canal. Keep in mind, jeffies, that Hampton Bay was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938 and even today is a decidedly shallow body of water with a constantly shifting bottom and a often barely sufficient depth channel that moves around a lot and an outlet to the ocean often with nasty standing waves wind against the current in a highly changeable channel. Here is what Shinnecock Inlet has looked like over the years. http://www.oceanscience.net/inletson...3?inlet=Shinne cock&state=New+York&district=New+York What it looks like today is much different, and what it looks like after the next storm will be different again. you wanna go through there jeffies? get a SeaTow membership. now, about you and your wife dropping the mast on your boat, and then 20 minutes later putting it back up, you fumb duck. Just to get to the northern edge of the Shinnecock Canal you must first negoiate the currents either side of Shelter Island, motor many miles across Great Peconic Bay and then Little Peconic Bay taking great care to avoid the shallow spots. jeffies, even in your training wheels and even with your utter lack of ordinary intellgience *you* wouldn't do something like that. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 1:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: I can certainly see why you would be scared ****less, but then, you're to much of a coward to even admit your name. Obviously, the mast would have to be lowered, and that by itself would be to much work for the benefit. But this is no more tricky or dangerous than a dozen other places I've been. The locks are 41 by 250 feet, not that different from others I've been in. And while it might be tricky with the tide running through, I regularly transit the Blynman Canal (in Gloucester) which is considerably narrower and just as strong. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, haul out a chart and LOOK at what you are proposing. kriste almighty! From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/16/2004 12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock/Suez Canal, not even from the highway. so, how come you keep insisting that neither the United States Coast Guard, nor the United States Army Corps of Engineers is wrong? Nope, I've never been through. I'm just quoting what the Coast Pilot says. There are a number of sites that refer to the locks. And I'm not saying the CG or Army Corps are wrong; I'm saying you're lying about what they say. btw, jeffies, what is the chance *you* think *you* could move your training wheels through that canal and out through the bay on the ocean side? tell us about just how you and your wife are going to pull down your mast on one end of the canal and put it up on the other, and then just how you are going to navigate the channel out through Hampton Bay (without calling SeaTow several times), then make it past the entrance (which side does one favor, today?) and then through the wind against the current, then on to (what if totally frightening to you) the open ocean? What's the problem? You must realize that my boat was built in Toronto and I brought her down through the Erie Canal. And I've boated all my life near the locks on the Charles River, their operation is no great mystery. Sorry Jax, you can't bluff your way through this; its clear you've never been there, and probably have never seen a lock in operation. |
Question.
Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at both ends, then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber? Shen |
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I don't know why the issue of lowering my mast is relevant.
yup. that is why everyone on the planet considers you stew ped. |
It is locks with a tide gate,
not according to the United States Coast Guard, nor according the the United States Army Corps of Engineers, but who are they to know? jeffies, you have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, are never going to see the Shinnecock Canal and most certainly are never going to transit the Shinnecock Canal with your training wheels. Please don't bother to ever again comment on this subject. according to the Coast Pilot, Suffolk County who owns and operates it, and various people who have gone through it. |
not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps
of Engineers. From: (Shen44) Date: 10/17/2004 1:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Question. Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at both ends, then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber? Shen |
in other words, no.
Wayne.B Date: 10/17/2004 10:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote: Question. Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at both ends Yes then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber? There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found at river dams. If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that. |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: Wayne.B On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote: Question. Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at both ends Yes then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber? There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found at river dams. If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that. Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock. The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both gates open?). Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and since he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put another of his stupid arguments in the junk file. Shen |
shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E
says. but what do they know, right? There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the gate is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose. btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938. From: (Shen44) Date: 10/18/2004 12:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Shinnecock Inlet From: Wayne.B On 17 Oct 2004 17:43:55 GMT, (Shen44) wrote: Question. Does this "lock" include a chamber that you bring boats into, close a gate at both ends Yes then raise or lower the water level in some way so that you are either higher or lower than when you entered the chamber? There is a difference in water level (that's what causes the tidal current flow), but it is fairly minimal compared to most locks found at river dams. If my memory is correct they equalize water levels by cracking open the lock gates, ie, no sluice way or valves, but I'm not sure of that. Thanks, Wayne. I'd call it a lock. The fact that the difference may not be all that great or that they don't always use it that way (am I right in that they sometimes just leave both gates open?). Now, the fact that Doodles doesn't think it's a lock, is immaterial, and since he hasn't shown any CG or Corp statements to the contrary, I'd say we can put another of his stupid arguments in the junk file. Shen |
hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from
the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper Bob's. From: Harry Krause Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do? You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries... -- Okay...who has those damned WMDs? |
JAXAshby wrote:
hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper Bob's. From: Harry Krause Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do? You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries... Stay on point, Jackass. Whether I've "seen" that inlet matters not. The point is that you've been raving about Shinnecock Canal for years, and, as usual, what you rave about doesn't rise above the level of almost useless information. Your M.O. is to make some outrageous statement or to split some hair and see how much you can mix it up. The end result adds nothing to anyone's knowledge base. - - - Future historians will note that the demise of the United States of America began during the reign of George W. Bush. |
While jaxie "claims" the CG and Corps say there's no lock, where's what the latest
Coast Pilot says. It seems rather definitive to me. Since the Corps doesn't run these locks, why would they have anything to say? And it should be easy to find a reference to the locks or gates on the CG or Corps sites, but curiously, there is nothing. And besides, is there anyone in the world that would believe Jaxie over Skipper Bob? http://chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/nsd/c...-33ed-Ch10.pdf Chart 12352 10) Shinnecock Canal, 31.5 miles southwestward of Montauk Point, is about 1 mile long and connects Great Peconic Bay with Shinnecock Bay. The canal is owned and maintained by Suffolk County of New York. It is a partly dredged cut and is protected at the north entrance by two jetties; the east jetty is marked by a light. In April 1985, the east timber jetty was reported to be deteriorating. Protruding timbers and floating debris may be encountered; caution is advised. A lock about midway in the canal is 250 feet long, 41 feet wide, with a depth of 12 feet over the sills. Tide gates are par- allel to and westward of the lock. The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay. The lock gates are tended 24 hours and are opened me- chanically when the tidal current is flowing northward to allow the passage of boats. Red and green traffic lights are at each end of the lock. Vessels are allowed to enter the lock only on the green signal. 11) The fixed bridges and overhead power cables across the canal have a least clearance of 22 feet. Mast-step- ping cranes are available at both ends of the canal. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... hoary, you like jeffies, have never seen the Shinnecock Canal, not even from the highway. Everything you know nautical you learned from a pilfered Skipper Bob's. From: Harry Krause Date: 10/18/2004 7:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: not according the the United States Coast Guard or the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Good grief, Jax-Ass, don't you have anything of consequence to do? You've been raving about Shinnecock Inlet for years now. Move on to another of your idiotic, endless ocmmentaries... -- Okay...who has those damned WMDs? |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) shen, go look it up **if** you know how, and see just what the CG or C of E says. but what do they know, right? Why would I look under the USCG for their comments? First off, I can't see where they'd care one way or the other. Secondly, I'm not sure under what part of the USCG it would be covered .... mayhaps, in your infinite wisdom you could direct me to the relevant USCG pub, etc. that states such. As for the Corp, they can and will call it anything their engineering responsibilities may dictate as advantageous to them. I.e., I wouldn't call either of your above sources, as the "final word" for the purposes of this discussion. Now, if you'd included NOAA...... There is a gate there and it is open most of the time. the purpose of the gate is to slow movement of salty ocean water into less salty bay water. I believe sometimes it is left open and does not then serve its intended purpose. Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you explain that? btw, for several miles south of the canal is very shallow Hamptons Bay, which was a swamp until the Hurricane of 1938. ......And this has what to do with the price of tea?.... or is this a vain attempt to impress us with your local knowledge? Shen |
Big point. If the Canal/lock is owned and maintained by the County, then the
Corp has no first hand interest, responsibility, or knowledge of said "lock". |
Big point. If the Canal/lock is owned and maintained by the County, then the
Corp (sic) has no first hand interest, responsibility, or knowledge of said "lock". Corps, as well as the CG, makes specific mention of the canal, and specifically states there is a "gate" there but not a lock. maybe the Corps and the CG each believe a lock is used to move a boat from a body of water at one level to a body of water at another, while a gate is used to stop water flowing in one direction or the other. but what do they know? |
Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you
explain that? a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there, and c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference between a lock and a gate. |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/18/2004 18:52 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you explain that? a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there, and c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference between a lock and a gate. No, you have settled on a description which suits your argument and are too stupid to realize that others may describe the "lock", "gate" in terms other than yours, and AGAIN, you are too stupid to realize that their terminology is just as valid as yours for a number of reasons. As per usual, Doodles, you've created and maintained a stupid argument for the simple reason that you have a very narrow field of experience and knowledge on the subject and your mental capacity limits your ability to think "outside the box". Shen |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/18/2004 18:50 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Big point. If the Canal/lock is owned and maintained by the County, then the Corp (sic) has no first hand interest, responsibility, or knowledge of said "lock". Corps, as well as the CG, makes specific mention of the canal, and specifically states there is a "gate" there but not a lock. maybe the Corps and the CG each believe a lock is used to move a boat from a body of water at one level to a body of water at another, while a gate is used to stop water flowing in one direction or the other. but what do they know? Doodles, some bad news for you..... What the Corps or USCG think or say, is NOT "the word according to God". If they don't consider it a "lock" ..... whoopdeedoo. There opinion is about as important or valid..... as yours (and we know that ain't worth cowpies). In all the arguments, I see you've never considered NOAA .... is that because you think the USCG is the one who makes the charts and Coast pilot, or is that because they sprecht differently? In truth, amateur mariner dumb butt, if someone wishes to call it a lock, then waddahey .... itsa lock. You really do need to return to the home for some "meds adjustment" Shen |
okay squathead, you call 'em the way you see 'em and I will call them the way
both the CG and Corps of Engineers see them. but what do they know? Your description and the Coast Pilot description seem to vary..... can you explain that? a.) I have been there, and b.) I know boaters who keep there boats there, and c.) I have talk with marina owners in the area, d.) I know the difference between a lock and a gate. No, you have settled on a description which suits your argument and are too stupid to realize that others may describe the "lock", "gate" in terms other than yours, and AGAIN, you are too stupid to realize that their terminology is just as valid as yours for a number of reasons. As per usual, Doodles, you've created and maintained a stupid argument for the simple reason that you have a very narrow field of experience and knowledge on the subject and your mental capacity limits your ability to think "outside the box". Shen |
right, yo-yo. whatever was either -- let alone both -- the Coast Guard or the
Army Corps of Engineers thinking? obviously you need to inform each and both that they are to never again make any statements without first getting your express permission. From: (Shen44) Date: 10/18/2004 10:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Shinnecock Inlet From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/18/2004 18:50 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Big point. If the Canal/lock is owned and maintained by the County, then the Corp (sic) has no first hand interest, responsibility, or knowledge of said "lock". Corps, as well as the CG, makes specific mention of the canal, and specifically states there is a "gate" there but not a lock. maybe the Corps and the CG each believe a lock is used to move a boat from a body of water at one level to a body of water at another, while a gate is used to stop water flowing in one direction or the other. but what do they know? Doodles, some bad news for you..... What the Corps or USCG think or say, is NOT "the word according to God". If they don't consider it a "lock" ..... whoopdeedoo. There opinion is about as important or valid..... as yours (and we know that ain't worth cowpies). In all the arguments, I see you've never considered NOAA .... is that because you think the USCG is the one who makes the charts and Coast pilot, or is that because they sprecht differently? In truth, amateur mariner dumb butt, if someone wishes to call it a lock, then waddahey .... itsa lock. You really do need to return to the home for some "meds adjustment" Shen |
Yeah, I'll bet you encounter lots of locks and gates after each date.
not a lot, hoary. some women, of course, are kinky and like those locks, and some even like getting tied to a gate swinging back and forth. |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) right, yo-yo. whatever was either -- let alone both -- the Coast Guard or the Army Corps of Engineers thinking? obviously you need to inform each and both that they are to never again make any statements without first getting your express permission. Now Doodles, if "you" wish to believe that the CG or Corp is the final "word" in all things waterborne, please feel free to do so. All you have to do, is realize that not all of us are so limited in our thinking, as yourself. Shen |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) okay squathead, you call 'em the way you see 'em and I will call them the way both the CG and Corps of Engineers see them. but what do they know? Exactly. What "DO" they know? BTW, let's assume that the canal/lock in question runs N-S. Now, if the tidal current is flowing at a good rate through the canal/lock from N-S, could we assume that the water to the South is at a lower level than the water to the North? If you should answer this in the affirmative, then we can say that the lock is used to raise or lower (even if only inches) vessels, though the main reason may have more to do with overcoming the dangers of a strong current, and get vessels, safely through the area........ just a thought. Shen |
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