shen finally says he is wrong, but he chews on his words doing it thusly:

right, yo-yo. whatever was either -- let alone both -- the Coast Guard or
the
Army Corps of Engineers thinking? obviously you need to inform each and
both
that they are to never again make any statements without first getting your
express permission.

Now Doodles, if "you" wish to believe that the CG or Corp is the final "word"
in all things waterborne, please feel free to do so.
All you have to do, is realize that not all of us are so limited in our
thinking, as yourself.

Shen

shen shows just how miserable is his understanding of tidal flows thusly:

okay squathead, you call 'em the way you see 'em and I will call them the
way
both the CG and Corps of Engineers see them.

but what do they know?


Exactly. What "DO" they know?
BTW, let's assume that the canal/lock in question runs N-S. Now, if the tidal
current is flowing at a good rate through the canal/lock from N-S, could we
assume that the water to the South is at a lower level than the water to the
North?
If you should answer this in the affirmative, then we can say that the lock
is
used to raise or lower (even if only inches) vessels, though the main reason
may have more to do with overcoming the dangers of a strong current, and get
vessels, safely through the area........ just a thought.

Shen

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen finally says he is wrong, but he chews on his words doing it thusly:


LOL How you come up with that conclusion is beyond me...... course, it helps
explain......nah, your conclusions are beyond explanation.
Toodles Doodles.

ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen shows just how miserable is his understanding of tidal flows thusly:

Thought that would be too complicated for your limited reasoning abilities.

Toodles, again, Doodles.

Shen

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/19/2004 10:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

LOL How you come up with any conclusion is beyond me......

we know that, there is no reason to tell us a frickin' gin.

of course. Me and the USCG and the USA C of Eng.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/19/2004 10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen shows just how miserable is his understanding of tidal flows thusly:

Thought that would be too complicated for your limited reasoning abilities.

Toodles, again, Doodles.

Shen

Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense? Why haven't you been
able to provide a link? Is it because you made it up?


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
of course. Me and the USCG and the USA C of Eng.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/19/2004 10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


shen shows just how miserable is his understanding of tidal flows thusly:

Thought that would be too complicated for your limited reasoning abilities.

Toodles, again, Doodles.

Shen

Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?

no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.

JAXAshby wrote:
Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?


no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.


JAX finally admits his post are nonsense!

yeah, me and the CG and Corps of Eng.

Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?


no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.


JAX finally admits his post are nonsense!

So what did you do, jaxie? Did you call the Corps of Eng and ask them if a facility
that the did not build nor do they maintain is a tidegate or a lock? (Actually, it
is both.)



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, me and the CG and Corps of Eng.

Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?


no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.


JAX finally admits his post are nonsense!

Hey jaxie. I just called the lock tender on the Shinnecock Canal. I asked him if the
locks were a tidegate or locks. He said "We have both." I asked again, are the
locks regular locks like on the Erie Canal, with a gate at both ends, that raises and
lowers the boats? And he said "Absolutely."

I guess that settles it. You were probably never there, and probably don't know the
difference between a gate and a lock. You never talked to the CG, or the Corps. In
fact, you just made this all up, didn't you?

BTW, anyone who wants to verify this could track down the phone number - I won't
publish it here, but he's a Suffolk County employee.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?

no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.

Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-- It would cut down on the amount of time required to
download an update by 50%, and cut down on the bullcrap by 90%.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
shen finally says he is wrong, but he chews on his words doing it thusly:

right, yo-yo. whatever was either -- let alone both -- the Coast Guard
or
the
Army Corps of Engineers thinking? obviously you need to inform each and
both
that they are to never again make any statements without first getting
your
express permission.

Now Doodles, if "you" wish to believe that the CG or Corp is the final
"word"
in all things waterborne, please feel free to do so.
All you have to do, is realize that not all of us are so limited in our
thinking, as yourself.

Shen

Sorry. You have to make a contribution to a newsgroup before you have the right to
complain. If this is all you have to offer, you're no better than jaxie.

On the other hand, if you have some interesting experience to talk about, or even some
questions to ask, please feel free to post.


"Pete Tatro" wrote in message
...
Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-- It would cut down on the amount of time required to
download an update by 50%, and cut down on the bullcrap by 90%.

nah, no need to call them. they have an informative website.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/20/2004 9:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

So what did you do, jaxie? Did you call the Corps of Eng and ask them if a
facility
that the did not build nor do they maintain is a tidegate or a lock?
(Actually, it
is both.)



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
yeah, me and the CG and Corps of Eng.

Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?


no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.


JAX finally admits his post are nonsense!

there you have it, folks. jeffies *claims* to have called some toothless,
bottom of the economic scrap heap civil servant in the employ of Essex County
NY for **THE** answer as to what constitutes a lock.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/20/2004 3:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Hey jaxie. I just called the lock tender on the Shinnecock Canal. I asked
him if the
locks were a tidegate or locks. He said "We have both." I asked again,
are the
locks regular locks like on the Erie Canal, with a gate at both ends, that
raises and
lowers the boats? And he said "Absolutely."

I guess that settles it. You were probably never there, and probably don't
know the
difference between a gate and a lock. You never talked to the CG, or the
Corps. In
fact, you just made this all up, didn't you?

BTW, anyone who wants to verify this could track down the phone number - I
won't
publish it here, but he's a Suffolk County employee.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Are you still claiming the CG and Corps support your nonsense?

no. I got that nonsense from them, not them from me.

peetro, try this instead for all your information on everything in the world:

www.yoyo.com

From: "Pete Tatro"
Date: 10/20/2004 5:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-- It would cut down on the amount of time required to
download an update by 50%, and cut down on the bullcrap by 90%.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
shen finally says he is wrong, but he chews on his words doing it thusly:

right, yo-yo. whatever was either -- let alone both -- the Coast Guard
or
the
Army Corps of Engineers thinking? obviously you need to inform each and
both
that they are to never again make any statements without first getting
your
express permission.

Now Doodles, if "you" wish to believe that the CG or Corp is the final
"word"
in all things waterborne, please feel free to do so.
All you have to do, is realize that not all of us are so limited in our
thinking, as yourself.

Shen

jeffies, *you* don't qualify by *your* definition, unless of course you define
"contribution" such that is includes utter bullsquat.

[did you pass this squat below by your wife _before_ you posted it, or did she
clout you about the ears once again?]

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/20/2004 5:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Sorry. You have to make a contribution to a newsgroup before you have the
right to
complain. If this is all you have to offer, you're no better than jaxie.

On the other hand, if you have some interesting experience to talk about, or
even some
questions to ask, please feel free to post.


"Pete Tatro" wrote in message
...
Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-- It would cut down on the amount of time required to
download an update by 50%, and cut down on the bullcrap by 90%.

JAXAshby wrote:
because, I wish to show just how stew ped *you* [and, jeffies] are, hoary. you
have no value in any discussion nautical.
..

Why are you still raving about this, jaxass?

All you ever show, fellow, is that you are an argumentative ass. You've
been pushing this nonsense about Shinnecock for a year. You started some
nonsense about anchor rodes in rec.boats and got your butt handed to you
on a plastic platter. You've got a crappy little clapped-out sailbote
that I wouldn't take offshore, and you act as if you were a world-class
sailor. And, of course, there's always that photo of yourself you posted
on a webpage to attract trans-sexuals.



--

hoary, don't argue with me. a.) argue with the CG and/or the Corps of Eng
about what a lock is, and b.) argue with the physicists about anchors rodes.

what a fumb duck you are, hoary.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 10/20/2004 9:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
because, I wish to show just how stew ped *you* [and, jeffies] are, hoary.
you
have no value in any discussion nautical.
.

Why are you still raving about this, jaxass?

All you ever show, fellow, is that you are an argumentative ass. You've
been pushing this nonsense about Shinnecock for a year. You started some
nonsense about anchor rodes in rec.boats and got your butt handed to you
on a plastic platter. You've got a crappy little clapped-out sailbote
that I wouldn't take offshore, and you act as if you were a world-class
sailor. And, of course, there's always that photo of yourself you posted
on a webpage to attract trans-sexuals.



--

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
hoary, don't argue with me. a.) argue with the CG and/or the Corps of Eng
about what a lock is

When are you going to show us that Corps website you talk about, jaxie? Is it because
you made it up? How about the CG website? did you make that up also?

The locktender says its a lock, with gates at both ends and a tidegate beside it. The
Coast Pilot says its a lock, and gives the dimensions.

You never have seen locks, have you jaxie?
..

yes, of course, jeffies. the toothless "lock tender" (who usually isn't there)
says it is a lock -- even though the "gates" (the term used by the CG and the
Corps of Eng each use) is never closed on an ebb tide and often isn't closed
either on a flood tide -- it MUST be a "lock", right? At least to a training
wheels driver who has never been within fours hours motoring of the "locks".

kriste almighty, jeffies, drive over there sometime and LOOK (assuming you have
a driver's license or your wife tells you you can't go).

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/20/2004 10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
hoary, don't argue with me. a.) argue with the CG and/or the Corps of Eng
about what a lock is

When are you going to show us that Corps website you talk about, jaxie? Is
it because
you made it up? How about the CG website? did you make that up also?

The locktender says its a lock, with gates at both ends and a tidegate beside
it. The
Coast Pilot says its a lock, and gives the dimensions.

You never have seen locks, have you jaxie?
.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


of course. Me and the USCG and the USA C of Eng.


Not too familiar with what the USCG and Corp deal with I see...... to be
expected.

Shen

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


because, I wish to show just how stew ped *you* [and, jeffies] are, hoary.
you
have no value in any discussion nautical.

ROFLMAO Now THERE'S the Pot calling the Kettle Black !!!!!!

Shen

JAXAshby wrote:
hoary, don't argue with me. a.) argue with the CG and/or the Corps of Eng
about what a lock is, and b.) argue with the physicists about anchors rodes.

what a fumb duck you are, hoary.


I'm not arguing with you. I am merely pointing out that your m.o. is to
make mountains out of molehills, and to so beat a subject into the
ground with your wild-assed commentary on the vagaries of boating that
no one really cares.

You add no value to boating discussions. None. Zip.

And you dress funny.



--

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


hoary, don't argue with me. a.) argue with the CG and/or the Corps of Eng
about what a lock is, and b.) argue with the physicists about anchors rodes.


Yeah, don't argue mit Doodles. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talkin
about, and considering his past problems wit reading comprehension, you've only
got a one in one thousand chance that he read the CG and Corp sites correcty.

Shen

ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: "Pete Tatro"
Date: 10/20/2004 14:04 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-

Sure.....it's called "killfiles".

However, before you rush to use it, consider.......

1. He's usually entertaining and good for a laugh.
2. He usually sticks to making an ass of himself on boating related subjects
(unlike the idiots who post about politics, religion, sports, etc.).
3. He has, obviously, limited knowledge and experience in boating and related
issues (note how he must always try and relate airplanes and the FAA to
technical questions and is not too familiar with the duties and
responsibilities of the Corp and USCG), but this can be an advantage, as many
are willing to point out his obvious errors which can frequently explain an
issue to lurkers such as yourself.
4. Did I mention he's amusing?
5. Etc.

Shen

besides, you can always depend on shenne not understanding two out of every
three words written, and him claiming that is enough for 1000% understanding of
the subject.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 10/20/2004 11:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: "Pete Tatro"
Date: 10/20/2004 14:04 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

Is there a way I could subscribe to this news net without JACKASS (excuse
me, I meant JAXAshby)-

Sure.....it's called "killfiles".

However, before you rush to use it, consider.......

1. He's usually entertaining and good for a laugh.
2. He usually sticks to making an ass of himself on boating related subjects
(unlike the idiots who post about politics, religion, sports, etc.).
3. He has, obviously, limited knowledge and experience in boating and related
issues (note how he must always try and relate airplanes and the FAA to
technical questions and is not too familiar with the duties and
responsibilities of the Corp and USCG), but this can be an advantage, as many
are willing to point out his obvious errors which can frequently explain an
issue to lurkers such as yourself.
4. Did I mention he's amusing?
5. Etc.

Shen

JAXAshby wrote:
besides, you can always depend on shenne not understanding two out of every
three words written, and him claiming that is enough for 1000% understanding of
the subject.


There you go again.

and hoary his genius as a junior in high school in the use of words (look how
he confuses "lock" with "gate"), and twenty foot waves on the Chesepeake.

From: Harry Krause
Date: 10/21/2004 7:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
besides, you can always depend on shenne not understanding two out of every
three words written, and him claiming that is enough for 1000%
understanding of
the subject.


There you go again.

"Shen44" wrote

Yeah, don't argue mit Doodles. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talkin
about, and considering his past problems wit reading comprehension, you've only
got a one in one thousand chance that he read the CG and Corp sites correcty.


Shen,
It isn't too hard to search the CG or Corps of Eng sites for all references to
"Shinnecock." There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. In the case of
the Corps, this is understandable, since they did not build nor do then maintain the
facility. I'm not sure if the CG area of responsibility extends through the canal,
but I wouldn't be surprised if they hardly ever go through. Jax is bluffing- there
is no site, he never talked to the CG or Corps, he was never there.

There are however, a variety of rather explicit references to the locks, including the
size, number of gates and their operation. Its pretty clear they're regular locks,
with tide gates next to them. Its possible that jaxie heard someone say they went
through the gates when the current was south, and didn't realize you have to use the
locks to go back when the flow is the other way.

I called the lock tender just to make sure - he was rather surprised that someone
didn't understand how the facility works.

On 21 Oct 2004 02:47:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

jeffies, drive over there sometime and LOOK (assuming you have
a driver's license or your wife tells you you can't go).

==========================================

I've driven over there and looked. It's a lock.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:40:10 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

The
Coast Pilot says its a lock, and gives the dimensions.

============================================

As does USA-NOAA/NOS Chart 12358_1, "NY LI SHELTER ISLAND SOUND AND
PECONIC BAYS".

What would they know compared to JAX however?

JAX, of course, is a troll and thrives on this sort of discourse. If
it were not for bad social interactions, he'd have none at all.
Giving up booze and seeing a therapist would be a good start.

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby)


besides, you can always depend on shenne not understanding two out of every
three words written, and him claiming that is enough for 1000% understanding
of
the subject.


LOL Well, Doodles, if we're talking about me not understanding two out of every
three words "YOU" write, I'm probably not alone as two out of every three word
"YOU" write are totally unrelated to the subject, immaterial, or nonsensical at
best.
The remaining one in three of your words, wouldn't make a coherent post, no
matter how you slung them together.

Shen

Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: "Jeff Morris"

It isn't too hard to search the CG or Corps of Eng sites for all references
to
"Shinnecock." There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. In the
case of
the Corps, this is understandable, since they did not build nor do then
maintain the
facility. I'm not sure if the CG area of responsibility extends through the
canal,
but I wouldn't be surprised if they hardly ever go through.

About the only thing they would be responsible for would be any "aids" that
aren't privately maintained, although with their new responsibilities for
"homeland" security, I wouldn't be surprised that they have looked at the
"lock" in that regard.

Jax is
bluffing- there
is no site, he never talked to the CG or Corps, he was never there.

That's a given.


There are however, a variety of rather explicit references to the locks,
including the
size, number of gates and their operation. Its pretty clear they're regular
locks,
with tide gates next to them. Its possible that jaxie heard someone say they
went
through the gates when the current was south, and didn't realize you have to
use the
locks to go back when the flow is the other way.

To be sure I'm reading this correctly. The lock is mainly or exclusively used
on the incoming tide, not the outgoing?
BTW, I got a kick out of Jax' reference to people trying to make the Shinnecock
canal/lock into the Suez Canal...... mthere are NO locks in the Suez.

Shen

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:50:58 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:40:10 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:

The
Coast Pilot says its a lock, and gives the dimensions.

============================================

As does USA-NOAA/NOS Chart 12358_1, "NY LI SHELTER ISLAND SOUND AND
PECONIC BAYS".

=========================================

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoonos...lbum?.dir=256d

There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate.

wrong, jeffies, though it is understandable that you couldn't find anything
having to do with "Corps of Eng" simpley because you had no idea whatsoever --
until this minute -- that it is short for "Army Corps of Engineers".

fumb duck.

jeffies, has never, ever, nowhere seen the canal -- not even from the highway
-- but he continues to claim expertise.

I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I tell him the "locks" are open on
an ebb, and **often** open on a flood. I wonder what jeffies is going to say
when I ask him how much difference there is in water height to produce a 5 knot
tidal flow?

watch jeffie's wife bark him about the head and shoulders because he doesn't
know what the phrase "tidal flow" means.



From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/21/2004 8:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"Shen44" wrote

Yeah, don't argue mit Doodles. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's
talkin
about, and considering his past problems wit reading comprehension, you've
only
got a one in one thousand chance that he read the CG and Corp sites
correcty.


Shen,
It isn't too hard to search the CG or Corps of Eng sites for all references
to
"Shinnecock." There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. In the
case of
the Corps, this is understandable, since they did not build nor do then
maintain the
facility. I'm not sure if the CG area of responsibility extends through the
canal,
but I wouldn't be surprised if they hardly ever go through. Jax is
bluffing- there
is no site, he never talked to the CG or Corps, he was never there.

There are however, a variety of rather explicit references to the locks,
including the
size, number of gates and their operation. Its pretty clear they're regular
locks,
with tide gates next to them. Its possible that jaxie heard someone say they
went
through the gates when the current was south, and didn't realize you have to
use the
locks to go back when the flow is the other way.

I called the lock tender just to make sure - he was rather surprised that
someone
didn't understand how the facility works.

I got a kick out of Jax' reference to people trying to make the Shinnecock
canal/lock into the Suez Canal...... mthere are NO locks in the Suez.


there aren't in the Shinnecock canal (no caps) either. There is a lock there
that is sometimes closed, the reason being some frickin' gov employee with too
much time on his/her hands worried that normal tidal flow in the the Peconic
would somehow harm the waterlife there.



Shen

really?

but you can't see the gate from the highway, now can you. Even in the 6 second
highway transit.

From: Wayne.B
Date: 10/21/2004 9:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 21 Oct 2004 02:47:02 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

jeffies, drive over there sometime and LOOK (assuming you have
a driver's license or your wife tells you you can't go).

==========================================

I've driven over there and looked. It's a lock.