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Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) jeffies, has never, ever, nowhere seen the canal -- not even from the highway -- but he continues to claim expertise. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I tell him the "locks" are open on an ebb, and **often** open on a flood. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I ask him how much difference there is in water height to produce a 5 knot tidal flow? ROFLMAO Anyone else having a good laugh about the amount of backpeddling above? Shen |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. wrong, jeffies, though it is understandable that you couldn't find anything having to do with "Corps of Eng" simpley because you had no idea whatsoever -- until this minute -- that it is short for "Army Corps of Engineers". Sheesh Doodles, you're really stretching it in order to keep this thread goin', doncha think? Shen |
ubject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) I got a kick out of Jax' reference to people trying to make the Shinnecock canal/lock into the Suez Canal...... mthere are NO locks in the Suez. there aren't in the Shinnecock canal (no caps) either. There is a lock there that is sometimes closed, the reason being some frickin' gov employee with too much time on his/her hands worried that normal tidal flow in the the Peconic would somehow harm the waterlife there. Ummmmmm that you triple digit (001) IQ giving you problems again? First sentence: there aren't in the Shinnecock canal either..... Second sentence: There is a lock there...... Sheesh Doodles, make up your mind!!!! |
backpeddle? are you drunk, shen?
From: (Shen44) Date: 10/21/2004 10:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Shinnecock Inlet From: (JAXAshby) jeffies, has never, ever, nowhere seen the canal -- not even from the highway -- but he continues to claim expertise. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I tell him the "locks" are open on an ebb, and **often** open on a flood. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I ask him how much difference there is in water height to produce a 5 knot tidal flow? ROFLMAO Anyone else having a good laugh about the amount of backpeddling above? Shen |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/21/2004 19:56 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: backpeddle? are you drunk, shen? Nope. You? Major backpedlin on your part |
shen, if you are unable to admit you were drunk, then you leave the
unassailable conclusion that you are truly stew ped. your choice. From: (Shen44) Date: 10/21/2004 11:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Subject: Shinnecock Inlet From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/21/2004 19:56 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: backpeddle? are you drunk, shen? Nope. You? Major backpedlin on your part |
You've hit rock bottom here jaxie. You keep insisting there's a web site that
supports your position, but you can't seem to find it. This is a pretty pathetic display, even for you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. wrong, jeffies, though it is understandable that you couldn't find anything having to do with "Corps of Eng" simpley because you had no idea whatsoever -- until this minute -- that it is short for "Army Corps of Engineers". fumb duck. |
jeffies, I spend no time whatsoever googling sites you could find yourself if
your IQ approached high two digits. The information is there. go find it. or, you can of course jeffies, call some toothless county employee who twice a day closes a gate for two hours and then opens it for 15 hours, and ask him just how important his job is. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/22/2004 8:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: You've hit rock bottom here jaxie. You keep insisting there's a web site that supports your position, but you can't seem to find it. This is a pretty pathetic display, even for you. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. wrong, jeffies, though it is understandable that you couldn't find anything having to do with "Corps of Eng" simpley because you had no idea whatsoever -- until this minute -- that it is short for "Army Corps of Engineers". fumb duck. |
My first post in this thread referenced a site (the Coast Pilot) that says:
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." What am I going to say? I'd say that you've completely reversed your position and now you're agreeing with me. This is more than a backpedal, this is complete capitulation! As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet (about three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was high, about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet. That makes about a two foot difference, plenty to make a serious current. What's your point jaxie? "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, has never, ever, nowhere seen the canal -- not even from the highway -- but he continues to claim expertise. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I tell him the "locks" are open on an ebb, and **often** open on a flood. I wonder what jeffies is going to say when I ask him how much difference there is in water height to produce a 5 knot tidal flow? watch jeffie's wife bark him about the head and shoulders because he doesn't know what the phrase "tidal flow" means. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/21/2004 8:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: "Shen44" wrote Yeah, don't argue mit Doodles. It's obvious he doesn't know what he's talkin about, and considering his past problems wit reading comprehension, you've only got a one in one thousand chance that he read the CG and Corp sites correcty. Shen, It isn't too hard to search the CG or Corps of Eng sites for all references to "Shinnecock." There are very few, and none refer to the locks/gate. In the case of the Corps, this is understandable, since they did not build nor do then maintain the facility. I'm not sure if the CG area of responsibility extends through the canal, but I wouldn't be surprised if they hardly ever go through. Jax is bluffing- there is no site, he never talked to the CG or Corps, he was never there. There are however, a variety of rather explicit references to the locks, including the size, number of gates and their operation. Its pretty clear they're regular locks, with tide gates next to them. Its possible that jaxie heard someone say they went through the gates when the current was south, and didn't realize you have to use the locks to go back when the flow is the other way. I called the lock tender just to make sure - he was rather surprised that someone didn't understand how the facility works. |
"The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens
them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet
(about three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was high, about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet. THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN FEET?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????? ??????????????????? jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot difference in height over two frickin' miles? obvously not. |
Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours,
its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just backpedaling. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting.
yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood. yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood. why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a bit. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours, its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just backpedaling. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
What's the big deal, jaxie? You just have to look in the Coast Pilot, I gave the
link in my first post: "The maximum recorded current is 4.3 knots, southerly, through the lock and tide gates at peak flow when the gates are open. At the railroad bridge, the current has an average speed of 1.5 knots, but it has been reported that greater speeds may be experienced. (See Tidal Current Tables for predictions.) At times of high southerly current i.e., when the gates are open, there exists a dangerous eddy system extending from the south end of the lock southerly for approximately 200 yards. Tidal currents throughout the entire canal can be dangerous; caution is advised." Large height differences are not that uncommon. The Cape Cod Canal has 9 foot tides on the Cape Cod Bay end, and 4 foot on Buzzard's Bay, and they're out of sync. There is frequently a 6 foot difference. Closer to your care facility, Hell Gate can have three feet of difference across a rather short distance. This is the way the ocean works, jaxie. If you understood the tides, they wouldn't be so scary. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet (about three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was high, about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet. THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN FEET?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????? ??????????????????? jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot difference in height over two frickin' miles? obvously not. |
Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides work, you
would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short slack time. Is there no limit to your ignorance? Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the Coast Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't get lost with two GPS's on board. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting. yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood. yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood. why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a bit. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours, its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just backpedaling. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
Subject: Shinnecock Inlet
From: (JAXAshby) Date: 10/22/2004 19:42 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: As for the tidal difference, Peconic Bay at the canal and Shinnecock Inlet (about three miles away) are almost exactly out of phase. An hour ago, Peconic was high, about 2.5 feet, and the Inlet was low, at 0.5 feet. THREE FRICKIN' MILES with a height difference of TWO FRICKIN FEET????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????? ??????????????????? jeffies, have you any idea just what the current is when you have a two foot difference in height over two frickin' miles? obvously not. ........ G And again, Doodles shows us how little he knows or understands about tidal flows/currents. Have a good sail, and remember, you've signed on as BR/galley boy, so keep your mouth shut and your ears open, and you might learn something........nah, the brain cells remaining are too dependant on the meds. Shen |
blah, blah, blah. jeffies, give it up and admit you don't know the difference
between a lock and a gate, or anything else. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:50 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides work, you would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short slack time. Is there no limit to your ignorance? Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the Coast Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't get lost with two GPS's on board. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting. yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood. yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood. why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a bit. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours, its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just backpedaling. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
And you're too stupid to understand that there can be both gates and locks at the same
location. BTW, the NOAA current tables indicate that the current only flows one way through the canal, and is slack half the time. But what would they know? http://co-ops.nos.noaa.gov/currents04/tab2ac4.html "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... blah, blah, blah. jeffies, give it up and admit you don't know the difference between a lock and a gate, or anything else. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:50 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Sorry jax, you're wrong again as usual. If you understood the way tides work, you would know that currents driven by heights differences have a very short slack time. Is there no limit to your ignorance? Have a good trip jaxie. Lets hope that this time you won't need to call the Coast Guard. And do leave the navigation to someone else. Someone who doesn't get lost with two GPS's on board. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... jeffies, *two* hours, but who's counting. yo-yo, the gate is there to stop serious inflooding on a rising tide. That and that alone. no much inflooding except for about the middle two hours of flood. yuk-yuk, **IF** you have ever seen the canal you would have noticed -- even you, jeffies -- that the gate is often not closed at all during flood. why don't you go sailing sometime, jeffies. don't bother to ask me, for I will read any posts for at least a couple weeks. you see, I'm heading ESE for a bit. From: "Jeff Morris" Date: 10/23/2004 8:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Well, aside from the fact that its a lot close to twelve hours a day than two hours, its exactly like I claimed it was. Jax, you were dead wrong and now you're just backpedaling. "JAXAshby" wrote in message ... "The lock gates and tide gates are constructed so that tidal action opens them to allow the current to set south through the canal and closes them to prevent water from Shinnecock Bay to flow back into Great Peconic Bay." in other words, they are gates open for all but about two hours a days (if that, and often not that for days at a time) only to flow from the Atlantic to the Peconic. |
And you're too stupid to understand that there can be both gates and locks at
the same location. and there *can* be a 1957 Studebaker Golden Hawk there as well, but why? In fact, the Studebaker is more likely, for nobody would ever put a lock and gate at the same location. BTW, the NOAA current tables indicate that the current only flows one way through the canal, and is slack half the time. NOAA believes the gate is closed upon upper half of flood. Yup, they do believe that, but then NOAA never bothered to actually check, now did they. (I have seen the flood current at full tilt on occasion, and have been told by people who have daily access to the canal that that is not in the least unusual. What is *totally* unusual is seeing much beyond small daysailor boats taking their masts down on one side of the canal (by hand) and putting their masts back up on the other side of the canal. jeffies, you ain't never gonna convince ANYone here that your wife would let you try such a fool stunt, even on your training wheels. But what would they know? well, not as much as those who see the canal day by day. |
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