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Jelle October 2nd 04 11:32 PM

JAXAshby wrote:

geoffie, the US CG can and does board US flagged vessels on the high seas.


Right. And the Dalmatian coast is not the hight seas until 20 or 50 or
whatever number miles offshore. within that zone the US coastguard would
not have any jurisdiction. Arguably neither would it have any jurisdiction
on the high seas, as the high seas are not gouverned by any nation.

Apart from telling everybody off, which I assume you enjoy Jax, can you tell
us what OP should do to export a US registered/documented vessel, but still
be able to use it over there? I dont think he is interested in flying a US
flag anyway, he just wants to buy a US boat and sail it.

[...]
--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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JAXAshby October 3rd 04 04:45 AM

notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show

us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY

and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a

non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.


I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a
citizen of the United States
...













JAXAshby October 3rd 04 04:46 AM

HONK!! wrong answer dummy. try again.

Jelle lid
Date: 10/2/2004 6:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:

geoffie, the US CG can and does board US flagged vessels on the high seas.


Right. And the Dalmatian coast is not the hight seas until 20 or 50 or
whatever number miles offshore. within that zone the US coastguard would
not have any jurisdiction. Arguably neither would it have any jurisdiction
on the high seas, as the high seas are not gouverned by any nation.

Apart from telling everybody off, which I assume you enjoy Jax, can you tell
us what OP should do to export a US registered/documented vessel, but still
be able to use it over there? I dont think he is interested in flying a US
flag anyway, he just wants to buy a US boat and sail it.

[...]
--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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Jeff Morris October 3rd 04 01:29 PM

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and show

us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states ANY

and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a

non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.


I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not a
citizen of the United States
...















JAXAshby October 3rd 04 01:35 PM

IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"

Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and

show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states

ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a

recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the

United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of

the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes

a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel

or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and

fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been

denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with

only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not

a
citizen of the United States
...























Jeff Morris October 3rd 04 04:40 PM

What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a pathetic,
little worm you are jaxie.

Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have
title and section
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...:+46USC1211 0

Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections aren't
posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the
new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has
passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no
substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"

Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and

show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_ states

ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as "The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a

recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the

United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent of

the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly makes

a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the vessel

or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and

fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been

denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with

only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person not

a
citizen of the United States
...

























JAXAshby October 3rd 04 07:11 PM

dummer than a box of rocks jeffies, I specifically asked you for the entire
code, for you most stupidly quoted just a part of the code to make an incorrect
point.

go find the entire code, dummy, or shut up.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a
pathetic,
little worm you are jaxie.

Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have
title and section

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...rowse_usc&doci

d=Cite:+46USC12110

Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections
aren't
posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the
new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has
passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no
substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of

some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and

that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"

Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and
show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_

states
ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as

"The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the
United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent

of
the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly

makes
a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the

vessel
or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and
fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been
denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an

appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with
only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person

not
a
citizen of the United States
...

































Jeff Morris October 3rd 04 08:26 PM

What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the entire
US Code here on the newsgroup?

How about this:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/browse.html

Now, you can show us the part where recreational vessels must be command by
citizens.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
dummer than a box of rocks jeffies, I specifically asked you for the entire
code, for you most stupidly quoted just a part of the code to make an

incorrect
point.

go find the entire code, dummy, or shut up.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 11:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What, are you accusing me of making up parts of the US Code??? What a
pathetic,
little worm you are jaxie.

Finding portions of the US Code only takes a minutes, especially if you have
title and section

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...rowse_usc&doci

d=Cite:+46USC12110

Since the full code is only published every 6 years, the other sections
aren't
posted yet. Frankly, the entire title is being overhauled this session - the
new wording was added last year (I think) and is also in the bill that has
passed in the House and is on the Senate floor now. However, there is no
substantive difference between the old version and the new on this issue.



"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
IN CONTEXT, and **************NOT************************** a reprint of

some
BoatsUS magazine article.

you can't find it, can you jeffies, even with your wife's help.


"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 8:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

What? You need an URL to find the United States Code? I'll give you a
hint,
you can google on "United States Code"

You didn't ask for an URL, you ask for a "the *EXACT* paragraph" and

that's
what
I gave you.


"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
notice how box-of-boxs stupid jeffies avoided the url.

box-of-rocks, check out what URL means, if you are capable.

"Jeff Morris"

Date: 10/2/2004 4:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
google, little-box-of-rocks-in-training-wheels, for several hours and
show
us
the *EXACT* paragraph in the CG regulations where it _expressly_

states
ANY
and
ALL documented recreational vessel may be under the command of a
non-citizen
at
ANY time and under ANY condition.

please be specific, as your claim is specific.

I already did.

Here's the United States Code, Title 46, Section 12110:

Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

This is the last published version of the US Code, otherwise known as

"The
Law"

The law has been updated in the last year or so, with some new sections
added,
including:

Section 12131. Command of documented vessels

A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational
endorsement) may be placed under the command only of a citizen of the
United
States.


Section 12151. Penalties
....
(e) Seizure and Forfeiture of Vessels.--

(1) Grounds.--The Government may seize and forfeit a vessel
(including its equipment) if--

(A) the owner of the vessel or the representative or agent

of
the
owner knowingly falsifies or conceals a material fact, or knowingly

makes
a
false statement or representation, about the documentation of the

vessel
or
in
applying for documentation of the vessel;

(B) a certificate of documentation is knowingly and
fraudulently
used for the vessel;

(C) the vessel is operated after its endorsement has been
denied
or
revoked under section 12152 of this title;

(D) the vessel is employed in commerce without an

appropriate
endorsement;

(E) the vessel has only a recreational endorsement and is
operated
other than for pleasure;

(F) the vessel is a documented vessel (except a vessel with
only
a
recreational endorsement) and is placed under the command of a person

not
a
citizen of the United States
...



































JAXAshby October 3rd 04 10:01 PM

yes.

What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the
entire
US Code here on the newsgroup?


ask your wife to help you find it, jeffies.

JAXAshby October 3rd 04 10:11 PM

jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the
subject.

you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school
girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class.

WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED?
A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of certain
oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S.


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION?
The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of the
vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought.

HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP?
Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to
individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of holding
legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations
must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and
chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than a
minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be
non-citizens

WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER?
Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person gets
mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner.






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