A few questions financial aspects of live aboard cruising....

I am English and plan to buy a US registered liveaboard boat in US. Although
I intend to spend time in US waters and Caribbean initially, What is payable
if I enter EU waters for a limited time and then leave, is there a time
limit? Also are duties payable when I visit any other world cruising
grounds?

I intend to keep a small flat in England, what is the tax position if I am
living away from UK for most of the time? Again, are there time limits etc.

Can I still get my state pension paid if I am away from UK? Is there any
angle to maximising this position etc?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ray

Ray, while you can *register* a US vessel as a non-citizen, you can NOT ---
document --- a US vessel as a non-citizen. In fact, as a non-citizen, you can
not even move a US documented vessel without a qualified US citizen aboard.

dems the rules.

registration is done on the state level, documentation on the federal level.
Hear to tell most Caribbean countries (non-French) will accept registration, at
least for US registered vessels arriving with US citizens in command. I
suspect you really, really, really don't want to travel in a registered boat as
a non-US citizen to non-US countries.

"ray nash"
Date: 9/27/2004 7:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

A few questions financial aspects of live aboard cruising....

I am English and plan to buy a US registered liveaboard boat in US. Although
I intend to spend time in US waters and Caribbean initially, What is payable
if I enter EU waters for a limited time and then leave, is there a time
limit? Also are duties payable when I visit any other world cruising
grounds?

I intend to keep a small flat in England, what is the tax position if I am
living away from UK for most of the time? Again, are there time limits etc.

Can I still get my state pension paid if I am away from UK? Is there any
angle to maximising this position etc?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Ray

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Ray, while you can *register* a US vessel as a non-citizen, you can
NOT ---
document --- a US vessel as a non-citizen. In fact, as a non-citizen,
you can
not even move a US documented vessel without a qualified US citizen
aboard.

dems the rules.

registration is done on the state level, documentation on the federal
level.
Hear to tell most Caribbean countries (non-French) will accept
registration, at
least for US registered vessels arriving with US citizens in command. I
suspect you really, really, really don't want to travel in a registered
boat as
a non-US citizen to non-US countries.

[snipped]
--
I'm not sure I completely understand the finer point you are making here.
If I travel from Aus to US and by a yacht second hand I can sail her away to
anywhere in the world. What I can't do is buy a US yacht and still call it
a US yacht?
I think. You obviously understand the rules very well - can you explain a
bit more for someone who doesn't.
thanks


Hoges in WA
Remove the zeds.

First of all, jaxie doesn't understand the rules. His claim that a citizen must
be on documented vessels at all times is completely bogus. It may be true for
commercial fishing vessels, but not for recreational boats.

He is correct on the other point however. A non-citizen may not own (or in any
way have a controlling interest in) a US "Documented" vessel. Therefore, the
boat, if documented, must be undocumented before you buy it. After that, you
can have it flagged in your home country (would that mean you have to pay the
VAT?) or "registered" in whatever state of the US you reside in. However, a
non-citizen owning a state registered boat is in an odd situation. I've heard
that in this case you are not eligible for the normal cruising permit, and need
special paperwork everytime you move the boat within the US. Further, the state
title papers will not carry the same weight in Caribbean countries, especially
since they will not match your papers.

You should research this very carefully - you certainly want to have everything
setup correctly before you buy. Try Googling "non-citizen documented vessel"
and variations on that for hints.




"Hoges in WA" wrote in message
...
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
Ray, while you can *register* a US vessel as a non-citizen, you can
NOT ---
document --- a US vessel as a non-citizen. In fact, as a non-citizen,
you can
not even move a US documented vessel without a qualified US citizen
aboard.

dems the rules.

registration is done on the state level, documentation on the federal
level.
Hear to tell most Caribbean countries (non-French) will accept
registration, at
least for US registered vessels arriving with US citizens in command. I
suspect you really, really, really don't want to travel in a registered
boat as
a non-US citizen to non-US countries.

[snipped]
--
I'm not sure I completely understand the finer point you are making here.
If I travel from Aus to US and by a yacht second hand I can sail her away to
anywhere in the world. What I can't do is buy a US yacht and still call it
a US yacht?
I think. You obviously understand the rules very well - can you explain a
bit more for someone who doesn't.
thanks


Hoges in WA
Remove the zeds.

to be US documented, the vessel must be owned -- and operated -- by a US
citizen. That means as a non-US citizen you can not own or operate a US
documented vessel. you *can* own and operate a _state_ *registered* vessel
(state meaning one of the 50 states, or various US territories).

However, many countries will not allow a vessel without country documentation
to enter. many (most?) Caribbean countries will allow a state registered US
vesse to enter without US (federal) documentation, because a US citizen from
say Florida is more than welcome to spend his money in say the Bahamas. The
French Caribbean countries are reported to fine US registered vessels for
entering without "proper" US documentation.

hope this helps. if not, ask again and I'll try to explain it better.

I'm not sure I completely understand the finer point you are making here.
If I travel from Aus to US and by a yacht second hand I can sail her away to
anywhere in the world. What I can't do is buy a US yacht and still call it
a US yacht?
I think. You obviously understand the rules very well - can you explain a
bit more for someone who doesn't.
thanks


Hoges in WA
Remove the zeds.

First of all, jaxie doesn't understand the rules. His claim that a citizen
must
be on documented vessels at all times is completely bogus. It may be true
for
commercial fishing vessels, but not for recreational boats.

jeffies is wrong on this, and it has been argued before. Again, I say.
jeffies is dead wrong on this.

US documentation has been lost on recreational vessels found to being operating
by a non-citizen with not citizens onboard and in command.

dems the rules.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
First of all, jaxie doesn't understand the rules. His claim that a citizen
must
be on documented vessels at all times is completely bogus. It may be true
for
commercial fishing vessels, but not for recreational boats.

jeffies is wrong on this, and it has been argued before. Again, I say.
jeffies is dead wrong on this.

You've made this claim before but never substantiated it. Its pretty easy to
find the regs that require Fishing vessels to be command by citizens; why can't
you find the regs that apply to recreational vessels?


US documentation has been lost on recreational vessels found to being
operating
by a non-citizen with not citizens onboard and in command.

So, you're claiming that non-citzens can't charter a documented vessel in US
waters? I should be pretty easy to find a rule about that - how about it
jaxie?

jeffies, this has been discussed before and the problem it seems is that you
don't understand what the English word "command" means in relation to a
documented vessel, as the word is understood by the US Congress.

First of all, jaxie doesn't understand the rules. His claim that a
citizen
must
be on documented vessels at all times is completely bogus. It may be true
for
commercial fishing vessels, but not for recreational boats.

jeffies is wrong on this, and it has been argued before. Again, I say.
jeffies is dead wrong on this.

You've made this claim before but never substantiated it. Its pretty easy to
find the regs that require Fishing vessels to be command by citizens; why
can't
you find the regs that apply to recreational vessels?


US documentation has been lost on recreational vessels found to being
operating
by a non-citizen with not citizens onboard and in command.

So, you're claiming that non-citzens can't charter a documented vessel in US
waters? I should be pretty easy to find a rule about that - how about it
jaxie?

Jax, you couldn't arrange for a pack of hungry wolfs to find fresh meat.

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
| So, you're claiming that non-citzens can't charter a documented vessel in
US
| waters?
|
| that's a fact.
|
| jeffies? wanna hand your documented vessel over to a non-citizen for a
couple
| hours off a CG station? Let me know ahead of time and I will arrange a
| welcoming committee.
|
|

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 00:07:24 +0100, "ray nash"
wrote:
A few questions financial aspects of live aboard cruising....

I am English and plan to buy a US registered liveaboard boat in US. Although
I intend to spend time in US waters and Caribbean initially, What is payable
if I enter EU waters for a limited time and then leave, is there a time
limit? Also are duties payable when I visit any other world cruising
grounds?

I intend to keep a small flat in England, what is the tax position if I am
living away from UK for most of the time? Again, are there time limits etc.

Can I still get my state pension paid if I am away from UK? Is there any
angle to maximising this position etc?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

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You might want to consider redocumenting offshore, perhaps in the
Cayman Islands which seems to be a popular home port these days.