Why don't you post the U.S. Code, Bozo. Perhaps then you could prove your
point!
"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
| yes.
|
| What are you talking about, jaxie??? Do you really want me to post the
| entire
| US Code here on the newsgroup?
|
| ask your wife to help you find it, jeffies.

Why don't you post the U.S. Code, Bozo. Perhaps then you could prove your
point!

I was trying to point out, as I did conclusively, that dumb as a box of rocks
jeffies found a single paragraph in a BoatsUS mag article and used that quote
to "prove" an incorrect point. jeffies spends hours each and every day trying
o prove he really, really, really isn't THAT dumb that his wife has to balance
the checkbook, even tho she does.

And where does this talk about being in command? This discussion is not about
ownership, its about your claim that the operator of a US-documented vessel must
be a US citizen. I've agreed, number of times, that owners must be citizens,
and that's all this web site talks about.

As I've pointed out, the US Code, otherwise known as "the law," specifically
says that a recreational vessel may be commanded by a non-citizen. The Boat/US
article was simply confirming what I had already posted, but it also explains
that a decade ago, the law was different, and recreational were not excluded
from the "citizen in command" requirement.

The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section 12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the
subject.

you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school
girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class.

WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED?
A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of
certain
oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S.


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION?
The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of the
vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought.

HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP?
Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to
individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of holding
legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations
must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and
chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than a
minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be
non-citizens

WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER?
Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person gets
mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner.

jefies, you are lost to this world. even your wife is shaking her head at your
stupidity.

yo-yo, the non-citizen trying to document/operate a documented boat will lose
his boat if caught by the CG. if he documented the boat illegally, then
operated it, he would lose it. If you faked documentend then operated it he
would lose it. If he fraudulently had a third party claim ownership and/or
ownership of a US company and then operated the boat he would lose it if
caught. if he claimed chartership but he was the only charterer he would lose
the boat.

he can charter/operate *your* documented boat, unless of course *you* used his
money to buy the boat and he then operated it.

jeffies, you are dummer than a box of rocks and the girls in high school who
laughed at you have long since forgotten you, even if you haven't forgotten
them.

now, jeffies, go whimper on your wife's shoulder about all those bad boy jocks
making fun of you because you have to think for a some time before you remember
that two dimes and nickle make a quarter.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 7:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

And where does this talk about being in command? This discussion is not
about
ownership, its about your claim that the operator of a US-documented vessel
must
be a US citizen. I've agreed, number of times, that owners must be citizens,
and that's all this web site talks about.

As I've pointed out, the US Code, otherwise known as "the law," specifically
says that a recreational vessel may be commanded by a non-citizen. The
Boat/US
article was simply confirming what I had already posted, but it also explains
that a decade ago, the law was different, and recreational were not excluded
from the "citizen in command" requirement.

The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section
12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the
subject.

you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school
girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class.

WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED?
A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of
certain
oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S.


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION?
The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of
the
vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought.

HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP?
Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to
individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of
holding
legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations
must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and
chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than
a
minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be
non-citizens

WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER?
Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person
gets
mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner.

Jaxie, what are you babbling about? This has nothing to do with ownership. It
has nothing to do with "faked" documentation. It has nothing to with
non-citizens trying to circumvent the law.

Its very simple. A citizen buys a boat and has it documented, with Recreational
endorsement. His spouse, a non-citizen, takes the boat for a day sail and is
subjected to a routine boarding ("safety inspection") by the Coast Guard. You
have claimed the boat can be seized because it is operated by a non-citizen.
The law is quite clear, however; there is no problem in this case. It is also
legal to loan the boat to a non-citizen, or to bare-boat charter it.

There are two separate issues here. You claimed many times it was illegal for a
non-citizen to be in command of a documented recreational vessel. That is
clearly false. Now it appears you were so confused you didn't even know what
you were talking about!





"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jefies, you are lost to this world. even your wife is shaking her head at
your
stupidity.

yo-yo, the non-citizen trying to document/operate a documented boat will lose
his boat if caught by the CG. if he documented the boat illegally, then
operated it, he would lose it. If you faked documentend then operated it he
would lose it. If he fraudulently had a third party claim ownership and/or
ownership of a US company and then operated the boat he would lose it if
caught. if he claimed chartership but he was the only charterer he would lose
the boat.

he can charter/operate *your* documented boat, unless of course *you* used his
money to buy the boat and he then operated it.

jeffies, you are dummer than a box of rocks and the girls in high school who
laughed at you have long since forgotten you, even if you haven't forgotten
them.

now, jeffies, go whimper on your wife's shoulder about all those bad boy jocks
making fun of you because you have to think for a some time before you
remember
that two dimes and nickle make a quarter.

"Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 7:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

And where does this talk about being in command? This discussion is not
about
ownership, its about your claim that the operator of a US-documented vessel
must
be a US citizen. I've agreed, number of times, that owners must be citizens,
and that's all this web site talks about.

As I've pointed out, the US Code, otherwise known as "the law," specifically
says that a recreational vessel may be commanded by a non-citizen. The
Boat/US
article was simply confirming what I had already posted, but it also explains
that a decade ago, the law was different, and recreational were not excluded
from the "citizen in command" requirement.

The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section
12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.




"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
jeffies, you dumb box of rocks. here is what the CG has to say on the
subject.

you dumb dung. all because you keep trying to prove wrong the high school
girls of long ago who snickered every time you opened your mouth in class.

WHAT VESSELS MAY BE DOCUMENTED?
A vessel must measure at least five net tons and, with the exception of
certain
oil spill response vessels, must be wholly owned by a citizen of the U.S.


WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR DOCUMENTATION?
The basic requirements for documentation are to demonstrate ownership of
the
vessel, U.S. citizenship, and eligibility for the endorsement sought.

HOW DO I ESTABLISH U.S. CITIZENSHIP?
Citizenship is established by completion of form CG-1258. In addition to
individuals, corporations, partnerships, and other entities capable of
holding
legal title may be deemed citizens for documentation purposes. Corporations
must be registered in a state or the U.S; the chief executive officer and
chairman of the board of directors must be U.S. citizens, and no more than
a
minority of the number of directors necessary to constitute a quorum may be
non-citizens

WHY DOES THE COAST GUARD REQUIRE DESIGNATION OF A MANAGING OWNER?
Many vessels have more than one owner. To make sure that the right person
gets
mail concerning the vessel, one must be designated as the managing owner.

Jaxie, what are you babbling about? This has nothing to do with ownership.
It
has nothing to do with "faked" documentation. It has nothing to with
non-citizens trying to circumvent the law.

jeffies, you are too stew ped to read the header on this thread. stop
embarrassing your wife.

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:52:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:


The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section 12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.

Jeff:
Some folks have difficulties with double negatives and legalese.
How about easing the burden with a translation of
Title 46, Sec 12110 para d) - something like this for example:
" A documented vessel with only a recreational endorsement may be
placed under the command of a non-citizen of the United States."

Brian W

I don't write them! I tried to put it in simple English, but jaxie insisted on
the exact paragraph in the law. The thought the Boat/US magazine article was
pretty clear.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:52:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:


The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section
12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.

Jeff:
Some folks have difficulties with double negatives and legalese.
How about easing the burden with a translation of
Title 46, Sec 12110 para d) - something like this for example:
" A documented vessel with only a recreational endorsement may be
placed under the command of a non-citizen of the United States."

Brian W

I am currently cruising in Australia and read the above thread in a yacht club
in company with a group of Oz yachties who were amused by JAX's postings.

One commented ..."That JAX must have been born with two penises."

When I looked puzzled he explained ... "JAX couldn't get that silly playing with
one."

Fair winds

Graeme

jeffies, you in fact ignored -- or were utterly ignorant of -- the issue. a
non-citizen can NOT be the primary operator of a documented vessel, because to
be so clearly makes of sham of any claim of non-ownership of the vessel.

That is why I pushed you to come up with the complete code, and you were not
able to do so. In the end, I produced the information. Even now, I doubt you
understand what it says, as witness your dumb cluck statement below.

note, box of rocks, the use of the term primary. ask your wife to explain it
to you.

From: "Jeff Morris"
Date: 10/3/2004 11:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I don't write them! I tried to put it in simple English, but jaxie insisted
on
the exact paragraph in the law. The thought the Boat/US magazine article was
pretty clear.



"Brian Whatcott" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 19:52:05 -0400, "Jeff Morris"
wrote:


The current law, one more time:

Title 46
Section 12110. Limitations on operations authorized by certificates
...
(c) A vessel with only a recreational endorsement may not be
operated other than for pleasure.
(d) A documented vessel, other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement, may be placed under the command only of a
citizen of the United States.

Under the new law, which passed the House last week, this will be Section
12131,
with the wording:
A documented vessel (other than a vessel with only a
recreational endorsement) may be placed under the command
only of a citizen of the United States.

Jeff:
Some folks have difficulties with double negatives and legalese.
How about easing the burden with a translation of
Title 46, Sec 12110 para d) - something like this for example:
" A documented vessel with only a recreational endorsement may be
placed under the command of a non-citizen of the United States."

Brian W