Problems with ethanol in fuel
Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation
problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
Larry Weiss wrote in message ...
Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? I have experienced some cars also not runnig with ethanol blend ... I dont know the technical reason, but may speculate its different properties dont lead to proper air mix. Aside from that you should never use ethanol fuel in 2 strokes. Matt |
Ethanol, or alcohol, mixes with any water. It's used up here by some in the
winter (auto engines) to pick up any condensation and so on to prevent gas line freeze. So, if the alcohol in the mix becomes saturated (with water), a drop in temperature will cause that water to be dumped, leaving the water in the fuel system ... especially not good in injected engines. If that's what's happening, maybe a water separator mounted close to the engine might be an idea? The dumping of water by saturated ethanol fuel caused by a drop in temperature is a fact ... but a 10% mix ... ??? "Larry Weiss" wrote in message ... Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
Larry Weiss wrote:
Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." Here's a good compilation of current manufacturer's recommendations. Mercury seems especially against ethanol fuel. http://www.ethanolrfa.org/2003marine.pdf |
So the problem would appear to be water.
"John Wentworth" wrote in message ... Larry Weiss wrote: Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." Here's a good compilation of current manufacturer's recommendations. Mercury seems especially against ethanol fuel. http://www.ethanolrfa.org/2003marine.pdf |
It attracts water and when it reaches saturation the water dumps out. Not
so good in a boat as i's hard to avoid water. If you can remove the sending unit from your fuel tank and see if it has water in the bottom. Get it out if it does. Drain all your fuel filters regularly. Keep the water out and you'll have less trouble. But it's hard to do. "Larry Weiss" wrote in message ... Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
Over here in Western Pennsylvania I use Sunoco 93 octane and haven't had any
problems. I used the same fuel since 99 in my Mercury OB. 10%, don't think so as the max is no more than 5% from Sunoco. "Larry Weiss" wrote in message ... Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
Aside from that you should never use ethanol fuel in 2 strokes.
we used to mix ethanol into the gas in our outboards when I was kid to increase hp (local law limited hp to kids under 12 to 10) and it made our boats go faster. why can't you use ethanol in 2 strokes? |
alcohol and water are 100% missible (sp?) with each other, meaning there is no
such thing as a water saturated alcohol solution. Ethanol, or alcohol, mixes with any water. It's used up here by some in the winter (auto engines) to pick up any condensation and so on to prevent gas line freeze. So, if the alcohol in the mix becomes saturated (with water), a drop in temperature will cause that water to be dumped, leaving the water in the fuel system ... especially not good in injected engines. If that's what's happening, maybe a water separator mounted close to the engine might be an idea? The dumping of water by saturated ethanol fuel caused by a drop in temperature is a fact ... but a 10% mix ... ??? "Larry Weiss" wrote in message ... Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
Wrong.
"JAXAshby" wrote in message ... alcohol and water are 100% missible (sp?) with each other, meaning there is no such thing as a water saturated alcohol solution. Ethanol, or alcohol, mixes with any water. It's used up here by some in the winter (auto engines) to pick up any condensation and so on to prevent gas line freeze. So, if the alcohol in the mix becomes saturated (with water), a drop in temperature will cause that water to be dumped, leaving the water in the fuel system ... especially not good in injected engines. If that's what's happening, maybe a water separator mounted close to the engine might be an idea? The dumping of water by saturated ethanol fuel caused by a drop in temperature is a fact ... but a 10% mix ... ??? "Larry Weiss" wrote in message ... Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems (unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each boat was purchased at a different fuel dock. If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?) problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the marine industry addressing this? Larry Weiss "...Ever After!" "a little after..." |
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