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" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote...

Yes, just once I'd like to see a news article or a video or two
about a sailor who didn't look and act like some mentally
deficient vagrant and who didn't sail some equally decrepit-
looking boat that sailors and even lubbers look at and sneer
at.

Why is it that sailors are always portrayed as losers and
outcasts? Why is it that cruising is reported on in such a
way that it generally reflects badly upon those of us who
do things in a seamanlike manner and have vessels that
are well-found and Bristol Fashion?

Instead, what one sees is a parade of hapless individuals,
one after another, about which the general public concludes
they're sailing because they're some kind of nut job and bum
who can't possible hold down a job so he's off to sea in the
most irresponsible of manners, looking, for all the world,
like a floating railroad vagrant.

And, why is it that so-called sailors swoon over such dregs?
What happened to their mental picture of sailors who do it
competently, safely, seamanlike and professionally? Why
is it they identify with and promote eccentric ne'er-do-wells
which, if seen ashore, would be holding out a tin cup?

Just why do so-called sailors act so proud to say they have
met and talked to such beggar-like individuals. Is their own
self-esteem so low that they actually look up to and admire
floating vagrants aboard bum boats?

Think about it, Bruce.

You simply reinforce what everyone already knows - that you really
know nothing about cruising.

Ever done a cruise? Say a 3,000 mile open ocean trip from the
Galapagos to Nuku Hiva? Do you somehow believe that one can spend
several years sailing across oceans on a very small budget and have
the boat and crew look as clean and neat as it did in the dealer's
showroom?

Yes, I do. It's a matter of pride and accomplishment. One is easily
able to do routine upkeep along the way. Sailing a bum boat is
inexcusable, IMO, because it demonstrates a slovenly outlook
on cruising and on sailing as a way of life. Does stop brushing
one's teeth and bathing when one is cruising? I think not. So
why should one sail a decrepit looking bum boat? Would you
want people thinking, as you sailed into port, "Geez, there goes
the neighborhood"?

As I and you other readers have said, "You know nothing of what
you speak".

Feast your eyes on a well-maintained blue water sailing yacht, Bruce.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

The heading photo is old. The one's below reflect the current
appearance. Notice how she shines. I can't abide the typical,
dull, oxidized topsides with just about every old boat is plagued
with.

How about a current photo or two you YOUR boat, Bruce?

--
Sir Gregory

On 9/24/2013 10:39 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
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On 9/23/2013 12:12 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
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Fenders? Real sailors anchor out and row a dinghy to shore.

Docks are hazardous to a vessel's topsides and that's why
fenders are used. Now, I ask you, does it make sense to put
your vessel in harm's way knowingly? I say knowingly because
the carrying and use of fenders proves an awareness of the
danger of dock or pier damage.

As for the beard, it makes the guy look like a bum or a Taliban.
If one wants warmth about the face and neck then try using a
scarf. Excessive facial hair is simply uncouth.

I've had more than one situation where the anchorage was full and I could
either wish my supplies on board or tie up at a dock. Also it's a bit dicey
to fuel from an anchorage. Finally, in this fellow's case, his boat is
roughly dingy sized so where would he stow one - in his pocket?

Fuel a sailboat? One should be able to sail around the world with
enough fuel on board provided one actually sails and not motors.
And why would one even wish to visit a *full* anchorage when
surely there are plenty of less than full anchorages to visit? I
don't know about you but if I wanted a big crowds I'd sell the
boat and invest in football tickets.

There are, in reality, very few places one cannot go under sail in
a small cruising sailboat. So, I don't buy the fuel argument. If I
recall, Joshua Slocum sailed around the world and visited many
ports and never had any need for motor fuel.

Personally, I spent almost a year sailing the Bahamas several
years ago. I departed the USA with 10 gallons of gasoline in jerry
cans and when I returned I sill had six gallons left. I always use
Sta-Bil®

Here's an example. A nor'easter had worn me utterly out because my self
steering had gone bad. Even if it hadn't, I'd probably be very tired and
wanting a pause in the trip.

I pulled into Cape May sort of surfing the waves through the inlet
jettys into the harbor where I found I was about last in and so nothing
in the anchorage. I couldn't leave even if I wanted to due to the surf
in the inlet. So I could either motor down a narrow way to a marina or
what? Die? Make my boat disappear?

http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/

because I know it will take almost forever for me to use
even six gallons of gasoline.

As for the small size of that Taliban's boat, it doesn't preclude
his shipping and storing, deflated, a small inflatable to use as
a yacht tender. But, his boat is slovenly looking and I'm sure
he's the type who is not the least bit concerned with his
topsides being all scarred up by their interacting with docks
and piers. I couldn't live like that, myself. My Imron® topsides
paint is 30 years old now and look at it:

So he doesn't want to give up even that amount of space. I had a beamy
42' sailboat and storage was limited. I can only imagine what his
capacities are. He had to decide between a dingy or maybe some added
water. I'd take the water too. Now tell me about the RO device he should
have had.



It wouldn't look that way if I frequented docks and piers.

He looked like Walt Whitman to me. I think he looked poetic.

Perhaps I looked like Taliban to you when I was sailing out of New England
but I will accept that to keep my neck warm.

That's all well and good but shave off the beard the day
before you arrive in port after a long passage. If nothing
else, the officials will treat you better if you don't look like
some kind of a fugitive from justice.

Sure, if you are coming home for good, but this guy is in port and then
outbound for the next destination. Beards, which we now agree, are
functional, do not grow to functional sizes overnight.

On 9/24/2013 11:13 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
..

Feast your eyes on a well-maintained blue water sailing yacht, Bruce.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

The heading photo is old. The one's below reflect the current
appearance. Notice how she shines. I can't abide the typical,
dull, oxidized topsides with just about every old boat is plagued
with.

How about a current photo or two you YOUR boat, Bruce?


1. I see no dink.

2. I see a laptop connected with Ethernet which is a neat trick anchored
out as you demand that Mr. Beard do. If you are going to cover this by
saying the dink is on the port side, then I hope you have your fenders out.

3. I see a 120 v fan going full blast. Another neat trick at anchor.

4. No real seaman would have rugs below decks due to the obvious issue
of dampness.

5. Fuchsia cushions?

6. Do I need go on?

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On 9/24/2013 10:39 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"slide" wrote in
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On 9/23/2013 12:12 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"slide" wrote in message

Fenders? Real sailors anchor out and row a dinghy to shore.

Docks are hazardous to a vessel's topsides and that's why
fenders are used. Now, I ask you, does it make sense to put
your vessel in harm's way knowingly? I say knowingly because
the carrying and use of fenders proves an awareness of the
danger of dock or pier damage.

As for the beard, it makes the guy look like a bum or a Taliban.
If one wants warmth about the face and neck then try using a
scarf. Excessive facial hair is simply uncouth.

I've had more than one situation where the anchorage was full and I could
either wish my supplies on board or tie up at a dock. Also it's a bit
dicey
to fuel from an anchorage. Finally, in this fellow's case, his boat is
roughly dingy sized so where would he stow one - in his pocket?

Fuel a sailboat? One should be able to sail around the world with
enough fuel on board provided one actually sails and not motors.
And why would one even wish to visit a *full* anchorage when
surely there are plenty of less than full anchorages to visit? I
don't know about you but if I wanted a big crowds I'd sell the
boat and invest in football tickets.

There are, in reality, very few places one cannot go under sail in
a small cruising sailboat. So, I don't buy the fuel argument. If I
recall, Joshua Slocum sailed around the world and visited many
ports and never had any need for motor fuel.

Personally, I spent almost a year sailing the Bahamas several
years ago. I departed the USA with 10 gallons of gasoline in jerry
cans and when I returned I sill had six gallons left. I always use
Sta-Bil®

Here's an example. A nor'easter had worn me utterly out because my self
steering had gone bad. Even if it hadn't, I'd probably be very tired and
wanting a pause in the trip.

I pulled into Cape May sort of surfing the waves through the inlet jettys
into the harbor where I found I was about last in and so nothing in the
anchorage. I couldn't leave even if I wanted to due to the surf in the
inlet. So I could either motor down a narrow way to a marina or what? Die?
Make my boat disappear?

Sounds sensible to me. I'd have used my motor under those
circumstances, too. The point is not to make a habit of it.
How much fuel does it take to make one's way a mile
or so up a narrow channel to a suitable berth. A pint?


http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/

because I know it will take almost forever for me to use
even six gallons of gasoline.

As for the small size of that Taliban's boat, it doesn't preclude
his shipping and storing, deflated, a small inflatable to use as
a yacht tender. But, his boat is slovenly looking and I'm sure
he's the type who is not the least bit concerned with his
topsides being all scarred up by their interacting with docks
and piers. I couldn't live like that, myself. My Imron® topsides
paint is 30 years old now and look at it:

So he doesn't want to give up even that amount of space. I had a beamy 42'
sailboat and storage was limited. I can only imagine what his capacities
are. He had to decide between a dingy or maybe some added water. I'd take
the water too. Now tell me about the RO device he should have had.

RO takes to much electricity. It generally requires a generator which
that Taliban guy most certainly doesn't have room for. Better to store
a tarp with a hose fitting in the middle to collect rain into a jerry jug or
two. Space is, indeed, a consideration on a small sailing yacht. So
he should loose those space-taking fenders and ship a small inflatable
instead. Two problems solved at once.

It wouldn't look that way if I frequented docks and piers.

He looked like Walt Whitman to me. I think he looked poetic.

He looks like a vagrant. Cruisers should always strive to make
the best impression they can because, individually, they are
often seen to represent cruisers as a group. Personally, I
would rather not be grouped with the slovenly-looking crowd.

Have you ever heard the saying, "clothes make the man?"
Well the same goes for civilized grooming.

Perhaps I looked like Taliban to you when I was sailing out of New England
but I will accept that to keep my neck warm.

That's all well and good but shave off the beard the day
before you arrive in port after a long passage. If nothing
else, the officials will treat you better if you don't look like
some kind of a fugitive from justice.

Sure, if you are coming home for good, but this guy is in port and then
outbound for the next destination. Beards, which we now agree, are
functional, do not grow to functional sizes overnight.

He was in the tropics, for pity's sake. Probably in the 90s most
of the time during the day.

--
Sir Gregory

"slide" wrote in message
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On 9/24/2013 11:13 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
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Feast your eyes on a well-maintained blue water sailing yacht, Bruce.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/

The heading photo is old. The one's below reflect the current
appearance. Notice how she shines. I can't abide the typical,
dull, oxidized topsides with just about every old boat is plagued
with.

How about a current photo or two you YOUR boat, Bruce?


1. I see no dink.

I was in it taking the three photos with the sunlight shining off
the hull.

2. I see a laptop connected with Ethernet which is a neat trick anchored out
as you demand that Mr. Beard do. If you are going to cover this by saying
the dink is on the port side, then I hope you have your fenders out.

I was using wireless Ethernet at the time. Israeli technology.

3. I see a 120 v fan going full blast. Another neat trick at anchor.

Inverter. Inverters change 12VDC to 120VAC

4. No real seaman would have rugs below decks due to the obvious issue of
dampness.

They are only used in port at anchor. The GRP sole can get a little
chilly in the winter on bare or stocking feet.


5. Fuchsia cushions?

Mauve!

6. Do I need go on?

Perhaps not, as you've made yourself appear sufficiently
ignorant already.

LOL!

--
Sir Gregory

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:16:29 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:12:57 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

"slide" wrote in message
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On 9/22/2013 1:07 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
Yes, just once I'd like to see a news article or a video or two
about a sailor who didn't look and act like some mentally
deficient vagrant and who didn't sail some equally decrepit-
looking boat that sailors and even lubbers look at and sneer
at.


You seem to have a thing about this guy's beard. If you look at the video,
you can see that it's carefully trimmed and not just an indication that
he's
lost his desire to be well groomed.

I grew beards while voyaging too and probably for the same reason this guy
did - warmth. A beard like his and mine not only keep the face warmer, but
most importantly, the neck too.

As to his boat, where would you suggest he stow the fenders? Inside? Then
where would he go?



Fenders? Real sailors anchor out and row a dinghy to shore.

As I and a myriad of other have said, "you do not know what you are
talking about".

I guess that it will be news to you that you are not allowed to anchor
out in many places, particularly in the Med (that is Mediterranean).
In many other places anchoring out and taking a dinghy ashore will
result in your boat being stripped by the time you get back.

So why would anybody with more than half a brain even sail
to such pathetic places when there is a whole world of safe
and attractive places to sail? It kinda goes to show that you
just aren't too bright in that you'd unnecessarily put your boat
and belongings in jeopardy.

What places are you talking about? The Israel, coast of France, many
cities in Italy? Gibraltar, Singapore (to name just a few)?

You just keep on insisting on demonstrating how little you know about
"cruising".

--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:13:09 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote:

"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in
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" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·" wrote...
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote ...
" Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote...

Yes, just once I'd like to see a news article or a video or two
about a sailor who didn't look and act like some mentally
deficient vagrant and who didn't sail some equally decrepit-
looking boat that sailors and even lubbers look at and sneer
at.

Why is it that sailors are always portrayed as losers and
outcasts? Why is it that cruising is reported on in such a
way that it generally reflects badly upon those of us who
do things in a seamanlike manner and have vessels that
are well-found and Bristol Fashion?

Instead, what one sees is a parade of hapless individuals,
one after another, about which the general public concludes
they're sailing because they're some kind of nut job and bum
who can't possible hold down a job so he's off to sea in the
most irresponsible of manners, looking, for all the world,
like a floating railroad vagrant.

And, why is it that so-called sailors swoon over such dregs?
What happened to their mental picture of sailors who do it
competently, safely, seamanlike and professionally? Why
is it they identify with and promote eccentric ne'er-do-wells
which, if seen ashore, would be holding out a tin cup?

Just why do so-called sailors act so proud to say they have
met and talked to such beggar-like individuals. Is their own
self-esteem so low that they actually look up to and admire
floating vagrants aboard bum boats?

Think about it, Bruce.

You simply reinforce what everyone already knows - that you really
know nothing about cruising.

Ever done a cruise? Say a 3,000 mile open ocean trip from the
Galapagos to Nuku Hiva? Do you somehow believe that one can spend
several years sailing across oceans on a very small budget and have
the boat and crew look as clean and neat as it did in the dealer's
showroom?

Yes, I do. It's a matter of pride and accomplishment. One is easily
able to do routine upkeep along the way. Sailing a bum boat is
inexcusable, IMO, because it demonstrates a slovenly outlook
on cruising and on sailing as a way of life. Does stop brushing
one's teeth and bathing when one is cruising? I think not. So
why should one sail a decrepit looking bum boat? Would you
want people thinking, as you sailed into port, "Geez, there goes
the neighborhood"?

As I and you other readers have said, "You know nothing of what
you speak".

Feast your eyes on a well-maintained blue water sailing yacht, Bruce.

http://captainneal.wordpress.com/


What does a little yellow boat that is permanently moored have to do
with cruising?
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok