slide wrote:

Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try
retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting
someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH more
difficult than most people envision.



We practice all the time, slide.
But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder.

Retrieving hats is harder...


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Richard Lamb
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On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
slide wrote:

Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try
retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting
someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH
more difficult than most people envision.



We practice all the time, slide.
But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder.

Retrieving hats is harder...


Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need
so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the
only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked
if it's warm enough.

slide wrote:
On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
slide wrote:

Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try
retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting
someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH
more difficult than most people envision.



We practice all the time, slide.
But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder.

Retrieving hats is harder...


Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need
so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the
only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked
if it's warm enough.


Copy that!

Actually, there is a down side to the inflatables...
If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs
might prevent a cracked rib or worse.
An inflatable lacks that.



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Richard Lamb
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote:

If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs
might prevent a cracked rib or worse.

Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the
two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below
decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs.

In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my
opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness
type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat
should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting
arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:56:05 -0600, CaveLamb
wrote:

If one fell across something the old padded style PFDs
might prevent a cracked rib or worse.

Cracked ribs are certainly an issue but usually not fatal, and of the
two cracked rib incidents that I've observed, both happened below
decks. No thanks on the padded PFDs.

In calm, settled conditions, PFDs above decks are a bit overkill in my
opinion. Just about everyone I know uses the self inflating harness
type when offshore or in rough conditions. In my opinion every boat
should have a swim ladder. Our trawler has an interesting
arrangement where the ladder can be deployed by someone in the water.





How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off
the water.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay off
the water.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:33:53 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

How about people just learn how to SWIM???? If you can't swim then stay
off
the water.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.




All you have to do is be able to swim long enough for the boat to come back
and retrieve you. If you're single-handing and the boat is on autopilot that
will be somewhat of a problem but otherwise your absence will soon be
noticed and the crew should come looking for you. But, the main thing is
just don't fall off the boat. Is that so hard to understand? Seriously,
falling off the boat probably indicates you are so stupid that perhaps your
genes don't really need to be passed on anyhow.

I ride a bicycle and rather than wearing some sort of inflatable rubber suit
that would inflated quickly when I was falling so I bounced and did not hurt
myself I would rather just NOT FALL. I work very hard just not falling
precisely because it really hurts to fall. If people realized that they
might well die if they fell off their boats then perhaps they wouldn't fall
off.

Wilbur Hubbard

wrote:
How about people just learn how to SWIM???? *If you can't swim then stay off
the water.


Jessibur has a very limited view of sailing. His post show a
fundamental lack conservative thinking.


Wayne B on the other had is the first person here that really hits the
nail on the head. Your equipment should fit the vessel and the area of
operation.

To make a blnket statment as Jsessibur does is nieve. Here in the PNW
with water tempratures 48-55F and sailing typically in 6-12 feet
swells it is very easy to drown befor a boat can come about... yes,
even excuting a Willimason Turn. basic law here is if single handed
and go over youre dead. If you go over with someone else on board
youre most likely dead.... maybe not if yore really fat had have a
capable crew.


Personnly single haded I tie off and wear a Sterns Type V Work Suit
and when in water temp above 70 F Ill substitute an inflatable
harness. When crossing a bar all passengers are inside. Only crew is
on deck.Once ouside pasangers are alowed on deck and must wear
inflatable harness.

People run out of energy very quickly in water less than 85 degrees
F., and if you can't deploy the swim ladder, where are you going to
swim to? *A lot of people have drowned trying to swim to shore in
cases where they'd have been just fine holding onto the boat.

Wayne, I comend your conservative and detaild response. To Willica I
say, u r 1 dum fool.
BOb

On 2/20/2011 10:51 AM, slide wrote:
On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
slide wrote:

Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try
retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting
someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH
more difficult than most people envision.



We practice all the time, slide.
But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder.

Retrieving hats is harder...


Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need
so ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the
only reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go
naked if it's warm enough.
I had a sugar scoop transom on my old Parker. Not only did it make it
easier to board the boat from the water but it allowed a place for the
water to run out of the boat when I took on the ocassional greenie over
the bow. Some naysayers poo pooed the transom arrangement but the good
folks at Parker boats informed me that it was a safety feature.

"HarryK" wrote in message
...
On 2/20/2011 10:51 AM, slide wrote:
On 2/19/2011 10:30 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
slide wrote:

Before you go further in this, though, I strongly suggest you try
retrieving someone from the ocean as if it were a MOB drill. Getting
someone on deck from most boats with significant freeboard is MUCH
more difficult than most people envision.



We practice all the time, slide.
But my boat has a sugar scoop stern with a drop down stern ladder.

Retrieving hats is harder...


Sugar scoop would make it MUCH easier. If you turn it around, you need so
ask why anyone would NOT wear a PFD. Comfort and style would be the only
reasons. Frex, when we sailed (and will again) we tend to go naked if
it's warm enough.
I had a sugar scoop transom on my old Parker. Not only did it make it
easier to board the boat from the water but it allowed a place for the
water to run out of the boat when I took on the ocassional greenie over
the bow. Some naysayers poo pooed the transom arrangement but the good
folks at Parker boats informed me that it was a safety feature.



Sugar scoop transoms are only successfully marketed to idiots. Why? Because
a boat that is really only 30 feet LOA can be cheaply marketed as a
33-footer by virtue of the extra LOA the cosmetic sugar scoop offers. IOW,
people are stupid enough to pay 33-foot prices for a 30-foot boat.

After it dawns on them that they were suckered, then they come up with all
kinds of after-the-fact rationales for why the rip-off sugar scoop is so
great. Just who the hell do they think they're trying to fool? LOL!

Wilbur Hubbard