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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter etc
so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There
used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1 and
it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd
rather skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever
the boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than
someone else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy
TomTom in my truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a
challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere
$400. I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400
and IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and
check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have
made too many mistakes!


I will be a non-US resident buying to stay in US waters for about a year
then exiting US waters.
I don't want to fall foul of any obscure tax traps, or inadvertently fail
to register some bit of what I want to achieve.
I know that thousands of people do/have done this so really it's not like
dealing in a former Soviet but I'd like to be compliant with local laws.
I'm sure going to need someone on the payroll!
Hoges in WA


That's definitely a different situation than I'd be in. If I were doing what
you are I'd use a broker too.
Of the 5-6 I've dealt with, probably none were crooks, just in South Florida
when a broker sees a guy drive up in an older vehicle (clean and well
maintained but 5-10 years old), wearing flipflops and non-designer
sunglasses rather than West Marine boutique crap, they write the guy off as
either a looky loo or someone looking for a cheap boat. Car dealers do the
same.
When they turn up thier dainty little sunscreened noses I keep moving.
Even though there is a listing database now like with real estate, it's been
my experience that brokers push their own listings first (like in real
estate, they get the entire commission) and their listings may or may not
look anything like what you're after so push for what you want and not what
they want to sell..

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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter
etc so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There
used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1
and it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the
pretty pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd
rather skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor
wherever the boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner
than someone else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy
TomTom in my truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a
challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere
$400. I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400
and IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms
and check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not
have made too many mistakes!


I will be a non-US resident buying to stay in US waters for about a year
then exiting US waters.
I don't want to fall foul of any obscure tax traps, or inadvertently fail
to register some bit of what I want to achieve.
I know that thousands of people do/have done this so really it's not like
dealing in a former Soviet but I'd like to be compliant with local laws.
I'm sure going to need someone on the payroll!
Hoges in WA


That's definitely a different situation than I'd be in. If I were doing
what you are I'd use a broker too.
Of the 5-6 I've dealt with, probably none were crooks, just in South
Florida when a broker sees a guy drive up in an older vehicle (clean and
well maintained but 5-10 years old), wearing flipflops and non-designer
sunglasses rather than West Marine boutique crap, they write the guy off
as either a looky loo or someone looking for a cheap boat. Car dealers do
the same.
When they turn up thier dainty little sunscreened noses I keep moving.
Even though there is a listing database now like with real estate, it's
been my experience that brokers push their own listings first (like in
real estate, they get the entire commission) and their listings may or may
not look anything like what you're after so push for what you want and not
what they want to sell..

Yes, I'd be going there only to look at a specific boat that they had, not a
general "So, what's available to stuff me with today?"
We're going to get an apartment and look around for a few weeks or months.

I sure hope you guys all learn to drive on the proper side of the road
before I get there.
Hoges in WA

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:07:52 GMT, "Hoges in WA"
wrote:

I sure hope you guys all learn to drive on the proper side of the road
before I get there.

Heh. Last month I was driving around on the wrong side of the road in
Grenada. This month we're driving on the "right" side of the road in
Martinique. The French got something else "right" beside wine, women
and food. Internet service, not so much.

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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter
etc so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There
used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1
and it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the
pretty pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd
rather skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor
wherever the boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner
than someone else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the
cheapy TomTom in my truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't
much of a challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire
a specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere
$400. I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my
$400 and IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the
forms and check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I
must not have made too many mistakes!


I will be a non-US resident buying to stay in US waters for about a year
then exiting US waters.
I don't want to fall foul of any obscure tax traps, or inadvertently
fail to register some bit of what I want to achieve.
I know that thousands of people do/have done this so really it's not
like dealing in a former Soviet but I'd like to be compliant with local
laws.
I'm sure going to need someone on the payroll!
Hoges in WA


That's definitely a different situation than I'd be in. If I were doing
what you are I'd use a broker too.
Of the 5-6 I've dealt with, probably none were crooks, just in South
Florida when a broker sees a guy drive up in an older vehicle (clean and
well maintained but 5-10 years old), wearing flipflops and non-designer
sunglasses rather than West Marine boutique crap, they write the guy off
as either a looky loo or someone looking for a cheap boat. Car dealers do
the same.
When they turn up thier dainty little sunscreened noses I keep moving.
Even though there is a listing database now like with real estate, it's
been my experience that brokers push their own listings first (like in
real estate, they get the entire commission) and their listings may or
may not look anything like what you're after so push for what you want
and not what they want to sell..

Yes, I'd be going there only to look at a specific boat that they had, not
a general "So, what's available to stuff me with today?"
We're going to get an apartment and look around for a few weeks or months.

I sure hope you guys all learn to drive on the proper side of the road
before I get there.
Hoges in WA


Good luck. It's a good time to be buying over here.
If I see you coming I'll get out of the way!

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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter
etc so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites
like this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL.
There used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down
to 1 and it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the
pretty pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically
etc etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd
rather skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor
wherever the boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner
than someone else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the
cheapy TomTom in my truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't
much of a challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire
a specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere
$400. I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my
$400 and IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the
forms and check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I
must not have made too many mistakes!


I will be a non-US resident buying to stay in US waters for about a
year then exiting US waters.
I don't want to fall foul of any obscure tax traps, or inadvertently
fail to register some bit of what I want to achieve.
I know that thousands of people do/have done this so really it's not
like dealing in a former Soviet but I'd like to be compliant with local
laws.
I'm sure going to need someone on the payroll!
Hoges in WA


That's definitely a different situation than I'd be in. If I were doing
what you are I'd use a broker too.
Of the 5-6 I've dealt with, probably none were crooks, just in South
Florida when a broker sees a guy drive up in an older vehicle (clean and
well maintained but 5-10 years old), wearing flipflops and non-designer
sunglasses rather than West Marine boutique crap, they write the guy off
as either a looky loo or someone looking for a cheap boat. Car dealers
do the same.
When they turn up thier dainty little sunscreened noses I keep moving.
Even though there is a listing database now like with real estate, it's
been my experience that brokers push their own listings first (like in
real estate, they get the entire commission) and their listings may or
may not look anything like what you're after so push for what you want
and not what they want to sell..

Yes, I'd be going there only to look at a specific boat that they had,
not a general "So, what's available to stuff me with today?"
We're going to get an apartment and look around for a few weeks or
months.

I sure hope you guys all learn to drive on the proper side of the road
before I get there.
Hoges in WA


Good luck. It's a good time to be buying over here.
If I see you coming I'll get out of the way!

Same here. :-)

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Another spot to look at is the classifieds on Latitude 38.
Gordon