On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:19:36 GMT, "Hoges in WA"
wrote:


I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc etc.
hoges in WA


Expecting a broker to act in your best interests is mostly wishful
thinking. Just like a real estate broker, they are paid to represent
the seller and maximize the sale price. The other thing to remember
is that they don't get paid unless the deal closes. Having one
broker in on the deal does help to facilitate the negotiation process
however. I once did a deal with two brokers involved and will try to
never do it again.

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:19:36 GMT, "Hoges in WA"
wrote:


I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


Expecting a broker to act in your best interests is mostly wishful
thinking. Just like a real estate broker, they are paid to represent
the seller and maximize the sale price. The other thing to remember
is that they don't get paid unless the deal closes. Having one
broker in on the deal does help to facilitate the negotiation process
however. I once did a deal with two brokers involved and will try to
never do it again.
===

Yes, I didn't expect them to be on my side (same in Oz, with all sorts of
agents including real estate agents). However, they do not get a quid if I
don't buy as you note.

I would just expect that the legals would all be above board etc so that
there was no comeback on them if it was a fiddle.

I will certainly be using a surveyor to examine on my behalf.

Should I get a lawyer as well to handle the conveyancing or is this
complicating things?

Hoges in WA

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:40:33 GMT, "Hoges in WA"
wrote:

I will certainly be using a surveyor to examine on my behalf.

Should I get a lawyer as well to handle the conveyancing or is this
complicating things?

The vast majority of boat deals close without a lawyer but it never
hurts to review the purchase contract with an attorney and get it
rewritten to your satisfaction.

The key to any good purchase contract is to have an acceptance period
after the survey, usually 1 week, where you can accept, reject, or
renegotiate the price with no obligation other than survey expenses.
It is sometimes necessary to reject the boat (in writing) before the
seller will renegotiate price.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:40:33 GMT, "Hoges in WA" wrote:
Should I get a lawyer as well to handle the conveyancing or is this
complicating things?

I've never used a lawyer to buy or sell a boat. However, I used a
"Specialist" (non-lawyer) once, to deal with the paperwork, when I was
selling a "Documented Vessel". He was worth every penny I paid him.

Rick

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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter etc
so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There used
to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1 and it's
pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA

I've found them to be more interested in getting the sale (from my buying
perspective) rather than actually listening to the requirements of what I
wanted. I tried several in the area, and they were all pretty much the same.
For example, I told one I wanted wheel steering and diesel. He showed me a
tiller/diesel and a wheel/A4. In both cases, his comment was, "well, you can
retrofit." Another example, I told a broker I didn't want to spend more than
$30-$40K, and he immediately wanted to show me boats in the $60K range...
oh, but I could make a lower offer. Uh huh.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

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On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter etc
so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There used
to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1 and it's
pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd rather
skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever the boat
happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than someone else (like
me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy TomTom in my truck, finding
a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere $400. I
downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400 and IIRC it
took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and check to the
CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have made too many
mistakes!

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m...
On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter etc
so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There
used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1 and
it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd rather
skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever the
boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than someone
else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy TomTom in my
truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a challenge
anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere $400.
I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400 and
IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and
check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have
made too many mistakes!

Mine was previously documented when I bought it. The previous owner's wife
had died, but the only additional complication was getting a copy of the
death certificate, since she was on the title.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:50:41 -0400, "mmc" wrote:
I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd rather
skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever the boat
happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than someone else (like
me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy TomTom in my truck, finding
a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere $400. I
downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400 and IIRC it
took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and check to the
CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have made too many
mistakes!

I don't remember what you call them either. My guy was a retired Coast
Guard fellow that handled the CG end of the paper work for 30 years or
so. He used to make a pretty good retirement income here doing nothing
but Documented Vessel transfers. But it wasn't very expensive. I'm
thinkin' $50 or maybe $75. Maybe they've streamlined the process
since then (25-30 years ago). But it was a pile of paper to get
through, make 2 copies of this, three copies of that, get it
notarized, mail it off, wait a week, get more paperwork back, mail it
off, etc like that. I just didn't have time for it.
Rick

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"cavelamb" ""cavelamb\"@ X earthlink.net" wrote in message
m...
On 4/9/2010 2:56 AM, Hoges in WA wrote:
Hi
Anyone care to recommend a website listing most boats for sale.

I've got Yachtworld and YBW (same thing??) going but are there any
others?

I look at some individual brokers' sites occasionally but it seems
that
whatever they have rolls up into Yachtworld anyway.

Are there any that allow you to key in -bavaria -beneteau -hunter etc
so you
can eliminate a lot of what you don't want to see?

Not critical, just curious

thanks

Hoges in WA



www.sailingtexas.com

Covers most of the US, and the near islands.

--

Richard Lamb
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb/

Sailingtexas is about the most popular I've seen. The free sites like
this have driven boattrader almost out of business here in FL. There
used to be 4-5 seperate books for the state but now we're down to 1 and
it's pretty thin.
I avoid brokers like the plague so I just use Yachtworld for the pretty
pictures.

Why so anti-broker? I thought they were supposed to act ethically etc
etc.
hoges in WA


I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd rather
skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever the
boat happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than someone
else (like me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy TomTom in my
truck, finding a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a challenge
anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere $400.
I downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400 and
IIRC it took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and
check to the CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have
made too many mistakes!


I will be a non-US resident buying to stay in US waters for about a year
then exiting US waters.
I don't want to fall foul of any obscure tax traps, or inadvertently fail to
register some bit of what I want to achieve.
I know that thousands of people do/have done this so really it's not like
dealing in a former Soviet but I'd like to be compliant with local laws.
I'm sure going to need someone on the payroll!
Hoges in WA

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On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:50:41 -0400, "mmc" wrote:
I won't cast aspersions on their characters but I will say that I'd rather
skip paying a brokers commision and I can find a surveyor wherever the
boat
happens to be. I'd rather tour a boat with the owner than someone else
(like
me) that knows nothing about it. With the cheapy TomTom in my truck,
finding
a boat in an unfamiliar town isn't much of a challenge anymore either.
As for the documentation, it was recommended to me by a friend to hire a
specialist" (whatever these people are called) to do mine for a mere $400.
I
downloaded and printed the form and did it myself. Saved my $400 and IIRC
it
took all of about 15 minutes to prepare. I sent the forms and check to the
CG and they sent back the documentation so I must not have made too many
mistakes!

I don't remember what you call them either. My guy was a retired Coast
Guard fellow that handled the CG end of the paper work for 30 years or
so. He used to make a pretty good retirement income here doing nothing
but Documented Vessel transfers. But it wasn't very expensive. I'm
thinkin' $50 or maybe $75. Maybe they've streamlined the process
since then (25-30 years ago). But it was a pile of paper to get
through, make 2 copies of this, three copies of that, get it
notarized, mail it off, wait a week, get more paperwork back, mail it
off, etc like that. I just didn't have time for it.
Rick

Sounds like it's been made simpler Rick. Not that much of a hassle these
days. $50- $75 wouldn't be bad but after paying for the boat a $400 (+ CG
fees) tab for something of questionable value is a hard pill to swallow. The
real value to me of documentation or rather re-documentation is in ensuring
there were no liens against the boat.