"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Tom Dacon wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.

Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department
to come get him down...

It's not so much the height - as the sway...


Now think about a sixteen-year-old girl doing that in the great Southern
Ocean...

Tom



girl, boy?

When i was 16 free climbing the mast to scare my parents was great fun.

I'm pretty sure you were doing it at the dock or in mild conditions. I've
spent a little time at the masthead myself underway, taking pictures and
generally enjoying the scenery, but I've been up there other times when I
came down exhausted and black and blue all over my chest and the insides of
my thighs. What I was thinking about when I made my original comment was the
latest of the stunt around-the-world sailors, Zac Sunderland's 16-year-old
younger sister, who's putting together a non-stop around-the-world voyage,
and imagining her having to do that in heavy wind and large seas down in the
roaring 40's. If you've read any accounts of single-handed stunts like that,
you've read about some of those occasions.

Tom

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:56:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Edgar" wrote in message
m...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.

Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department
to come get him down...

It's not so much the height - as the sway...



Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible.

I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to
go up except in the marina.
I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a
boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly
started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water.

I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a
steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or
rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took
me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness.

I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the
marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a
roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the
slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast
on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up
just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit.

Mast steps?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:45:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

A question?

How does one connect to the tank outlet and (in my case) macerator
pump inlet using PVC?



Hi, Richard,

The standard hose outlet fitting takes, of course, 1.5" hose. That hose OD
is exactly the outside diameter of 1.5" pipe.

So, I put a sleeve of hose on the barb fitting. making it exactly match the
end of the barb fitting. I make the connection a tight butt (in our aft
through-hull, it was a slight - maybe 3* - off-line, so I shaved the end of
the pipe, very carefully, to the proper angle to make it a tight butt
fitting).

A standard waste pipe rubber coupling sleeve goes over both. Liberal
application of KY equivalent or teflon grease will allow later moving, as
was the case in my forward head, where I changed out the Y valve, and my aft
head, in which I replaced everything but the bowl - loosen the clamps, slide
the coupling up on the PVC to get it out of the way, and do what you need to
do. Slide it back down to reinstall.

In addition to the standard two hose clamps supplied with the coupling, I
put another right over the butt. That prevents any seepage from getting to
the rest of the coupling. NO possibility of odor transfer. When I took off
my couplings to do my work on both heads, once the other end was out of the
way, I pulled off the coupling and looked inside. Not a mark of seepage on
either one...

Odor-safe or whatever the white hose marketer is, in their website, sells
PVC connectors which are the right size for attaching a hose; even they
recommend PVC where possible. Since, other than in the forward head, I
didn't have any hose points, that was irrelevant. In the forward head,
where I had a small section of hose into the wall, I just took a standard
hardware fitting (screws into the threaded coupling in the PVC) and ground
off the barbs until the 1.5" hose fit it, something I learned from seeing it
on some other application when I got the boat. When I redo that front head
part, I'll unthread the coupling and replace it with straight PVC, making my
bends as needed to match up perfectly with the toilet outlet, using the same
sleeve idea to make the rubber coupling fit. When I rebuild the pump, all
I'll have to do is slide the coupling up the PVC, and remove it, if just
undoing the bolts on the joker holder isn't sufficient.

One other hint, also long-ago discussed here with Peggie, is that we very
aggressively flush with raw water after each use. That helps move any urine
products through the system, minimizing scale formation. We then also dry
pump aggressively to empty the pipe to the anti-siphon. PVC will take
muriatic acid and vinegar with aplomb (get your plomb here, folks, going
fast!), so we do that regularly, too. Of course, we have no proof, but I'd
bet a bunch that we have no scale in our pipes...

HTH

L8R

Skip

Which brings up a question I have always wondered abut.

When flushing a toilet connected directly to the ocean one pumps
flushing water through the system until, it is hoped, all evidence of
one's actions have been eliminated. But how about when one is using a
holding tank. Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank
rather rapidly

On my own system which has the toilet mounted with the top of the bowl
just above the water line, using the normal anti-siphon "loop", it
takes ten strokes of the pump to pump water completely through the
system. I have no idea what the volume of the pump is but I suspect
that ten strokes is a lot more then the approximately 1 qt. that I see
in the usual holding tank capacity calculations.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:57 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank
rather rapidly

Yes it will.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:23:16 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:56:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Edgar" wrote in message
om...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.

Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department
to come get him down...

It's not so much the height - as the sway...



Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible.

I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to
go up except in the marina.
I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a
boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly
started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water.

I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a
steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or
rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took
me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness.

I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the
marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a
roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the
slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast
on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up
just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit.

Mast steps?


Nope.

wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:23:16 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:56:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Edgar" wrote in message
news:2_6dndWmU80y4bjWnZ2dnUVZ876dnZ2d@telenor. com...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.

Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire
department
to come get him down...

It's not so much the height - as the sway...



Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible.

I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had
to
go up except in the marina.
I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a
boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she
slowly
started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water.

I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a
steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind
or
rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good).
Took
me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness.

I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the
marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a
roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the
slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast
on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up
just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit.

Mast steps?


Nope.


You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall...


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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:31:57 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:23:16 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:56:30 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Edgar" wrote in message
news:2_6dndWmU80y4bjWnZ2dnUVZ876dnZ2d@telenor .com...

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.

Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire
department
to come get him down...

It's not so much the height - as the sway...



Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible.

I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had
to
go up except in the marina.
I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a
boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she
slowly
started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water.

I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a
steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind
or
rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good).
Took
me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness.

I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the
marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a
roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the
slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast
on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up
just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit.

Mast steps?


Nope.


You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall...

Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea,
but using better components and several design improvements.

wrote:
Mast steps?

Nope.

You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall...

Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea,
but using better components and several design improvements.


No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that.

A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less)
free to do something.

But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything
beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me.

Richard

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:57 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:

Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank
rather rapidly

Yes it will.


And a small tank fills in a hurry.

"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Mast steps?

Nope.

You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall...

Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea,
but using better components and several design improvements.


No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that.

A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less)
free to do something.

But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything
beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me.

Richard



I've heard it's pretty straight-forward... you mostly use your legs.

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