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Military Ships (was Your Typical Beneteau!)
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Andy Champ wrote: it's me wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote: We could then bring back the Fairey Swordfish and the Japanese Zero, just to see if they can still sink these monstrosities. Dennis, you do know the RN historic flight has two flying Swordfish don't you? (and there are others) Sure.... they might be slow enough that an F-18 couldn't touch 'em..... I wouldn't like to be in the Swordfish. Drop to maybe 300kts and use the Gatling. No problem. I'll be surprised if there aren't any ship-mounted cannon that would work nicely. OTOH the AMRAAMs can be configured to home on engine noise so they probably couldn't get within sight much less close enough to strike.... Really? Those things do Mach 4 don't they - following sound is a neat trick when you're inside a shock wave system. But the Swordfish is metal framed, and should show up nicely on radar. hey let's bring back the Sopwith Camel too! Now as a wood-and-fabric aircraft that might be hard to track on Radar... snip Andy There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. But the low speed may be below the radar speed gate. In which case... Phalanx...... |
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mmc wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Andy Champ wrote: it's me wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote: We could then bring back the Fairey Swordfish and the Japanese Zero, just to see if they can still sink these monstrosities. Dennis, you do know the RN historic flight has two flying Swordfish don't you? (and there are others) Sure.... they might be slow enough that an F-18 couldn't touch 'em..... I wouldn't like to be in the Swordfish. Drop to maybe 300kts and use the Gatling. No problem. I'll be surprised if there aren't any ship-mounted cannon that would work nicely. OTOH the AMRAAMs can be configured to home on engine noise so they probably couldn't get within sight much less close enough to strike.... Really? Those things do Mach 4 don't they - following sound is a neat trick when you're inside a shock wave system. But the Swordfish is metal framed, and should show up nicely on radar. hey let's bring back the Sopwith Camel too! Now as a wood-and-fabric aircraft that might be hard to track on Radar... snip Andy There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. But the low speed may be below the radar speed gate. In which case... Phalanx...... I would suspect the same problem here. Phalanx is designed to deal with high speed threats. |
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On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:38:24 -0500, cavelamb
wrote: There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. Wood and fabric over a metal tubing cage for the fuselage. John Wayne's minesweeper had wood planking over aluminum frames. Casady |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... mmc wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Andy Champ wrote: it's me wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote: We could then bring back the Fairey Swordfish and the Japanese Zero, just to see if they can still sink these monstrosities. Dennis, you do know the RN historic flight has two flying Swordfish don't you? (and there are others) Sure.... they might be slow enough that an F-18 couldn't touch 'em..... I wouldn't like to be in the Swordfish. Drop to maybe 300kts and use the Gatling. No problem. I'll be surprised if there aren't any ship-mounted cannon that would work nicely. OTOH the AMRAAMs can be configured to home on engine noise so they probably couldn't get within sight much less close enough to strike.... Really? Those things do Mach 4 don't they - following sound is a neat trick when you're inside a shock wave system. But the Swordfish is metal framed, and should show up nicely on radar. hey let's bring back the Sopwith Camel too! Now as a wood-and-fabric aircraft that might be hard to track on Radar... snip Andy There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. But the low speed may be below the radar speed gate. In which case... Phalanx...... I would suspect the same problem here. Phalanx is designed to deal with high speed threats. Phalanx is also designed to aquire and target slow moving and hovering aircraft as well as surface ships. Regards, JR |
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JR wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... mmc wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Andy Champ wrote: it's me wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote: We could then bring back the Fairey Swordfish and the Japanese Zero, just to see if they can still sink these monstrosities. Dennis, you do know the RN historic flight has two flying Swordfish don't you? (and there are others) Sure.... they might be slow enough that an F-18 couldn't touch 'em..... I wouldn't like to be in the Swordfish. Drop to maybe 300kts and use the Gatling. No problem. I'll be surprised if there aren't any ship-mounted cannon that would work nicely. OTOH the AMRAAMs can be configured to home on engine noise so they probably couldn't get within sight much less close enough to strike.... Really? Those things do Mach 4 don't they - following sound is a neat trick when you're inside a shock wave system. But the Swordfish is metal framed, and should show up nicely on radar. hey let's bring back the Sopwith Camel too! Now as a wood-and-fabric aircraft that might be hard to track on Radar... snip Andy There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. But the low speed may be below the radar speed gate. In which case... Phalanx...... I would suspect the same problem here. Phalanx is designed to deal with high speed threats. Phalanx is also designed to aquire and target slow moving and hovering aircraft as well as surface ships. Regards, JR In that case, where can I get one? |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... JR wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... mmc wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Andy Champ wrote: it's me wrote: "Dennis Pogson" wrote: We could then bring back the Fairey Swordfish and the Japanese Zero, just to see if they can still sink these monstrosities. Dennis, you do know the RN historic flight has two flying Swordfish don't you? (and there are others) Sure.... they might be slow enough that an F-18 couldn't touch 'em..... I wouldn't like to be in the Swordfish. Drop to maybe 300kts and use the Gatling. No problem. I'll be surprised if there aren't any ship-mounted cannon that would work nicely. OTOH the AMRAAMs can be configured to home on engine noise so they probably couldn't get within sight much less close enough to strike.... Really? Those things do Mach 4 don't they - following sound is a neat trick when you're inside a shock wave system. But the Swordfish is metal framed, and should show up nicely on radar. hey let's bring back the Sopwith Camel too! Now as a wood-and-fabric aircraft that might be hard to track on Radar... snip Andy There is usually enough metal in a wood and fabric airplane to show up on radar. But the low speed may be below the radar speed gate. In which case... Phalanx...... I would suspect the same problem here. Phalanx is designed to deal with high speed threats. Phalanx is also designed to aquire and target slow moving and hovering aircraft as well as surface ships. Regards, JR In that case, where can I get one? You can try here. If you have any luck let me know. Raytheon Systems Company (formerly Hughes Missile Systems Company and purchased from General Dynamics Pomona Division in 1992) I have a few of the orginal test tungsten/alloy test projectles. Also a few of the tungsten Bushmaster rounds. Regards JR |
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JR wrote:
Phalanx is also designed to aquire and target slow moving and hovering aircraft as well as surface ships. Regards, JR In that case, where can I get one? You can try here. If you have any luck let me know. I'll take Goalkeeper. I prefer weapons systems that work. Phalanx seems to be much better at own goals than goal keeping and it's notable that HMS Gloucester defended both itself, the USS Missouri and the USS Jarrett from a missile attack in the first Gulf war using Sea Dart when all Phalanx fired from Jarrett managed to do was to hit Missouri four times. Still, we all know how the Americans love their friendly fire incidents. Presumably the Jarrett was then renamed the USS Benedict Arnold? |
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"Steve Firth" wrote in message .. . JR wrote: Phalanx is also designed to aquire and target slow moving and hovering aircraft as well as surface ships. Regards, JR In that case, where can I get one? You can try here. If you have any luck let me know. I'll take Goalkeeper. I prefer weapons systems that work. Phalanx seems to be much better at own goals than goal keeping and it's notable that HMS Gloucester defended both itself, the USS Missouri and the USS Jarrett from a missile attack in the first Gulf war using Sea Dart when all Phalanx fired from Jarrett managed to do was to hit Missouri four times. Still, we all know how the Americans love their friendly fire incidents. Presumably the Jarrett was then renamed the USS Benedict Arnold? Did you say something? |
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