cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is
the size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this
group have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17"
bass boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you
have a 40' sailboat it will be significantly different than either of
the above boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to
a bigger boat.

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
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cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is the
size of the boat that they are talking about.

Not really.
Jon started the thread and said his boat weighs 8000 lb. We also know from
previous posts that it is about 30-32 feet.
My reply made it clear that my boat weighs 16000 lb and for the record it is
38'.

"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
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cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is the
size of the boat that they are talking about.

Not really.
Jon started the thread and said his boat weighs 8000 lb. We also know from
previous posts that it is about 30-32 feet.
My reply made it clear that my boat weighs 16000 lb and for the record it
is 38'.

Nice size boat. I was thinking about getting something bigger than the 30 in
the next couple of years. 34-38 is the range I'm considering.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Keith Nuttle wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is
the size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this
group have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17"
bass boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you
have a 40' sailboat it will be significantly different than either of
the above boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to
a bigger boat.



Good point.

I have a 26 footer.
But no, ya can't trailer it...

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~capri26/

Richard

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:33:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is
the size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this
group have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17"
bass boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you
have a 40' sailboat it will be significantly different than either of
the above boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to
a bigger boat.


On walking the docks it seems that the "average" cruising boat seen
here is between, say 35 feet (and that would be pretty much the
smallest) and 55 or 60 feet. Probably the average is 40 ft. Of
course, they have all sailed here from somewhere else.

I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:33:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is
the size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this
group have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17"
bass boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you
have a 40' sailboat it will be significantly different than either of
the above boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to
a bigger boat.


On walking the docks it seems that the "average" cruising boat seen
here is between, say 35 feet (and that would be pretty much the
smallest) and 55 or 60 feet. Probably the average is 40 ft. Of
course, they have all sailed here from somewhere else.

I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, in the BVI, we re-anchored five
times in a row on a 40 foot Beneteau. My crew was not happy after #2, ****ed
off after #3, angry and surly after #4, and ready to get out the long boat
for me if #5 wasn't too my liking. No windlass other than manual.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Capt. JG wrote:


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, in the BVI, we re-anchored five
times in a row on a 40 foot Beneteau. My crew was not happy after #2, ****ed
off after #3, angry and surly after #4, and ready to get out the long boat
for me if #5 wasn't too my liking. No windlass other than manual.


I key aspect of my anchoring theory is that its important to end up in
the correct spot, even if it means recovering and redeploying, even
several times. My old boat came with of chain (effectively all chain
for my needs) and a tedious old S/L manual windlass. At first I was
impressed with the "serious" gear but then realized I was avoiding
redeploying and thus ending up in worse positions. The next year I cut
the chain in half and replaced the heavy CQR with a lighter Delta and
was much more successful anchoring. I could handle the anchor without
the windlass, using it only if there was a severe situation.

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an overkill.
Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking strain of your
5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1" dia nylon is
about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and the question
of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead , which would
allow you to stow a longer length of it.

"Edgar" wrote in message
...

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an
overkill. Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking
strain of your 5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1"
dia nylon is about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and
the question of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead
, which would allow you to stow a longer length of it.




Bruce in Bangkok is all talk and no action. He's been stuck there at the
dock for thirty years now. He let that slip in one of his posts a couple
months ago.

5/16 chain is inadequate for a boat his size. A boat his size is too large
for his abilities to sail in the first place. That is why he's been stuck
for so long - no longer sailing - but still trying to sound like an expert.
A man should sail a boat that has properly sized anchors for it that he can
weigh without mechanical assistance. This means a boat of 30 foot max for a
single-hander. About 34 feet for a crew of two. A fit male sailor can weigh
anchors in the 30 pound range with a suitable length of chain attached by
hand.

For a 13 ton, 40-footer one should use 3/8 chain and 5/8 inch nylon. Twin
bowers should be 60 pounds each minimum and storm anchor stowed below over a
hundred pounds.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:51:13 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an overkill.
Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking strain of your
5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1" dia nylon is
about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and the question
of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead , which would
allow you to stow a longer length of it.

It probably is overkill. On the other hand I got it cheap. A chap
ordered a spool of 1 inch and after it arrived decided that he really
didn't need all that rope so gave me 100 M. It fitted, carefully
packed, in one locker under the vee birth; I spliced a thimble in the
end and decided that it was an emergency mooring/anchor line.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)