Capt. JG wrote:


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, in the BVI, we re-anchored five
times in a row on a 40 foot Beneteau. My crew was not happy after #2, ****ed
off after #3, angry and surly after #4, and ready to get out the long boat
for me if #5 wasn't too my liking. No windlass other than manual.


I key aspect of my anchoring theory is that its important to end up in
the correct spot, even if it means recovering and redeploying, even
several times. My old boat came with of chain (effectively all chain
for my needs) and a tedious old S/L manual windlass. At first I was
impressed with the "serious" gear but then realized I was avoiding
redeploying and thus ending up in worse positions. The next year I cut
the chain in half and replaced the heavy CQR with a lighter Delta and
was much more successful anchoring. I could handle the anchor without
the windlass, using it only if there was a severe situation.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:51:13 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote:


"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an overkill.
Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking strain of your
5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1" dia nylon is
about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and the question
of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead , which would
allow you to stow a longer length of it.

It probably is overkill. On the other hand I got it cheap. A chap
ordered a spool of 1 inch and after it arrived decided that he really
didn't need all that rope so gave me 100 M. It fitted, carefully
packed, in one locker under the vee birth; I spliced a thimble in the
end and decided that it was an emergency mooring/anchor line.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:30:02 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps you
mean
tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my concern is
that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving forward.
You'd
have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?

I knew a bloke who, when he wanted to retrieve the anchor, just ran
the anchor rode over the bow roller and back to one of the sheet
winches. Drive the boat ahead a bit and wind in on the winch.

He said it worked a treat.

By the way. Most electric anchor winches have a manual system to
operate them if the electrical power fails.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Interesting idea. I would need to stop to deal with the chain (only 10 feet
or so), because I don't want to take a chance on damaging the furler.

I might just try this (not single-handed the first time). Of course, it
might make a mess with the mud. I guess I'm being picky.

The chain shouldn't enter into it. Just wind the rope in until the
chain arrives, let the chain and anchor dangle and sail off. Once you
get moving and out of the "parking lot" you should be able to go
forward and heave in the chain and secure the anchor.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:30:02 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution
or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps you
mean
tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my concern
is
that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving forward.
You'd
have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?

I knew a bloke who, when he wanted to retrieve the anchor, just ran
the anchor rode over the bow roller and back to one of the sheet
winches. Drive the boat ahead a bit and wind in on the winch.

He said it worked a treat.

By the way. Most electric anchor winches have a manual system to
operate them if the electrical power fails.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Interesting idea. I would need to stop to deal with the chain (only 10
feet
or so), because I don't want to take a chance on damaging the furler.

I might just try this (not single-handed the first time). Of course, it
might make a mess with the mud. I guess I'm being picky.

The chain shouldn't enter into it. Just wind the rope in until the
chain arrives, let the chain and anchor dangle and sail off. Once you
get moving and out of the "parking lot" you should be able to go
forward and heave in the chain and secure the anchor.

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.


I've been thinking about adding some plumbing to the wash down pump to
spray the rode as it comes up.

It's not high on the priority list.
As it is, I just hose down the anchor locker once everything is stowed.

Richard

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:58:04 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:


One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.


I've been thinking about adding some plumbing to the wash down pump to
spray the rode as it comes up.

It's not high on the priority list.
As it is, I just hose down the anchor locker once everything is stowed.

Richard


I've seen a couple of guys try that - special permanent nozzles aimed
at the rode as it spools in. Doesn't work well as mud is not always in
the same place.

I use a hose with nozzle connected to the salt water washdown
connection. One foot on the switch and lean over the bow pulpit and
spray where it is needed.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:45:15 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:30:02 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution
or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps you
mean
tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my concern
is
that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving forward.
You'd
have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?

I knew a bloke who, when he wanted to retrieve the anchor, just ran
the anchor rode over the bow roller and back to one of the sheet
winches. Drive the boat ahead a bit and wind in on the winch.

He said it worked a treat.

By the way. Most electric anchor winches have a manual system to
operate them if the electrical power fails.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Interesting idea. I would need to stop to deal with the chain (only 10
feet
or so), because I don't want to take a chance on damaging the furler.

I might just try this (not single-handed the first time). Of course, it
might make a mess with the mud. I guess I'm being picky.

The chain shouldn't enter into it. Just wind the rope in until the
chain arrives, let the chain and anchor dangle and sail off. Once you
get moving and out of the "parking lot" you should be able to go
forward and heave in the chain and secure the anchor.

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

So you are talking about, probably 50 ft. of rode and the anchor. I've
seen guys keep a pair of heavy gloves up forward and just haul the
line in. Unless the wind is blowing a gale you can always give her a
blast of forward and then run up and haul.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.

I have seen boats with water streaming out of the chain locker drains.
I asked and it seems that sometimes they wind the anchor in and then
stick a hose down in the chain locker and wash all the muck overboard.
I can't do that on my boat as the chain locker drains into the bilge
but it seems a good scheme.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:58:04 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)
I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.

I've been thinking about adding some plumbing to the wash down pump to
spray the rode as it comes up.

It's not high on the priority list.
As it is, I just hose down the anchor locker once everything is stowed.

Richard


I've seen a couple of guys try that - special permanent nozzles aimed
at the rode as it spools in. Doesn't work well as mud is not always in
the same place.

I use a hose with nozzle connected to the salt water washdown
connection. One foot on the switch and lean over the bow pulpit and
spray where it is needed.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

I imagined aiming through the anchor roller.
Just deluge the whole thing while the line is coming up.

But, as you say, it probably would still need to be cleaned afterwards.

Foot on the switch...
Man, the luxury of a proper yacht!

I'd settle for a spare two speed winch!

Richard

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.


I've been thinking about adding some plumbing to the wash down pump to
spray the rode as it comes up.

It's not high on the priority list.
As it is, I just hose down the anchor locker once everything is stowed.

Richard


Yeah... that's what I do. If I don't return to the marina after one night
anchored out, then the anchor usually gets washed off by the chop/spray the
next day.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:45:15 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:44:37 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
m...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:30:02 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution
or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps
you
mean
tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my
concern
is
that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving forward.
You'd
have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul
something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?

I knew a bloke who, when he wanted to retrieve the anchor, just ran
the anchor rode over the bow roller and back to one of the sheet
winches. Drive the boat ahead a bit and wind in on the winch.

He said it worked a treat.

By the way. Most electric anchor winches have a manual system to
operate them if the electrical power fails.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Interesting idea. I would need to stop to deal with the chain (only 10
feet
or so), because I don't want to take a chance on damaging the furler.

I might just try this (not single-handed the first time). Of course, it
might make a mess with the mud. I guess I'm being picky.

The chain shouldn't enter into it. Just wind the rope in until the
chain arrives, let the chain and anchor dangle and sail off. Once you
get moving and out of the "parking lot" you should be able to go
forward and heave in the chain and secure the anchor.

One hopes, but I typically anchor in 10 feet or under.

So you are talking about, probably 50 ft. of rode and the anchor. I've
seen guys keep a pair of heavy gloves up forward and just haul the
line in. Unless the wind is blowing a gale you can always give her a
blast of forward and then run up and haul.

As for mud.... well you makes your choice. Either go forward and wash
things off as the line comes in or leave it dirty and handle it from
the cockpit :-)

I typically don't worry about the line, since it goes in the locker, just
the anchor mud. I guess I just need to try it.

I have seen boats with water streaming out of the chain locker drains.
I asked and it seems that sometimes they wind the anchor in and then
stick a hose down in the chain locker and wash all the muck overboard.
I can't do that on my boat as the chain locker drains into the bilge
but it seems a good scheme.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


I'm usually at 6-7 to 1, so near 100 ft, unless it just a lunch hook (which
is more like 60 or so, depending on the wind speed).

Mine drains overboard directly through a pee hole. Works fine, since there's
rarely enough mud on the line/chain to clog it for long.


--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com