"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps you
mean tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my
concern is that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving
forward. You'd have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?



Sorry... still confused by your explanation... is rode cleated at the bow or
the stern? I guess my trepidation to a stern cleat is that I'd have the
line, the helm control, and the engine to deal with all at the same time.
For my engine control, I have a throttle and a transmission shift, so it's
even more complicated.

Not familar with "curved approach" terminology...


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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:30:02 -0500, cavelamb
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"

wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution or
suggestion.
My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.

Too rich for my blood...

Mine too, but it is a valid question.

My only suggestion is to haul in line from the cockpit.

Pull the rode in taught to the bow and tie it off.
Then haul away as you move toward the anchor.

No need to actually "go forward" for that.


Richard


I don't really follow you... if it's tied off at the bow? Perhaps you
mean
tie it off at the cockpit cleat? I've thought of that, but my concern is
that it could wrap the prop, since the boat would be moving forward.
You'd
have to be very careful to keep the line taught.



Yes, just so the line to the bow doesn't loop under and foul something.
And yes, keep the line taught.

Have you tried a curved approach?

I knew a bloke who, when he wanted to retrieve the anchor, just ran
the anchor rode over the bow roller and back to one of the sheet
winches. Drive the boat ahead a bit and wind in on the winch.

He said it worked a treat.

By the way. Most electric anchor winches have a manual system to
operate them if the electrical power fails.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


Interesting idea. I would need to stop to deal with the chain (only 10 feet
or so), because I don't want to take a chance on damaging the furler.

I might just try this (not single-handed the first time). Of course, it
might make a mess with the mud. I guess I'm being picky.

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"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
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cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is the
size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this group
have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17" bass
boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you have a 40'
sailboat it will be significantly different than either of the above
boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to a
bigger boat.



It's a 30' Sabre. There are a bunch of people here who know that, but I
should have included it. I did say 8000 lbs at one point, however.

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"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
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cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is the
size of the boat that they are talking about.

Not really.
Jon started the thread and said his boat weighs 8000 lb. We also know from
previous posts that it is about 30-32 feet.
My reply made it clear that my boat weighs 16000 lb and for the record it
is 38'.

Nice size boat. I was thinking about getting something bigger than the 30 in
the next couple of years. 34-38 is the range I'm considering.

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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:33:42 -0400, Keith Nuttle
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cavelamb wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message

Have you tried a curved approach?

This is a very interesting thread but as with other similar threads each
posters omits an essential piece of information. That information is
the size of the boat that they are talking about. The posters to this
group have many different types of boats. Retrieving an anchor on a 17"
bass boat is different that picking it up on a 21' sailboat, If you
have a 40' sailboat it will be significantly different than either of
the above boats.

I have a 21' sailboat that is dock and trailer sailed so don't have much
to contribute to this thread but I would like to learn when I upgrade to
a bigger boat.


On walking the docks it seems that the "average" cruising boat seen
here is between, say 35 feet (and that would be pretty much the
smallest) and 55 or 60 feet. Probably the average is 40 ft. Of
course, they have all sailed here from somewhere else.

I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, in the BVI, we re-anchored five
times in a row on a 40 foot Beneteau. My crew was not happy after #2, ****ed
off after #3, angry and surly after #4, and ready to get out the long boat
for me if #5 wasn't too my liking. No windlass other than manual.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:55:45 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:11:19 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has an interesting solution or
suggestion.

My last couple of boats have had anchor windlasses with remote
controls at the helm. Works like a charm.


Too rich for my blood...

How much are your back and your boat worth ?

We have several possibilities for manual retreival if the windlass
fails. On a sailboat an obvious back up method is to run a snubber
line with chain hook aft to a sheet winch in the cockpit, locking off
the chain and repositioning the chain hook as necessary.


Back is good. Boat is insured. lol

Also, I tend to be pretty cautious about where I anchor when by myself. I
don't put the boat in a spot that's relatively unprotected should the wind
increase, such as near the entrance to Sausalito. I stick with the lee of
Angel Island or Paradise. Local knowledge and all that....


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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:52:02 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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Back is good. Boat is insured. lol

Also, I tend to be pretty cautious about where I anchor when by myself. I
don't put the boat in a spot that's relatively unprotected should the wind
increase, such as near the entrance to Sausalito. I stick with the lee of
Angel Island or Paradise. Local knowledge and all that....

A lot depends on priorities and how you use the boat. If we're out
cruising in the boondocks the anchor system *is* the insurance policy,
the insurance that we and the boat will be ok when, not if, a squall
comes through in the middle of the night.

On the other hand if you are mostly say sailing in your own backyard,
any old lunch hook will do. I'm always amazed at the holding power
of a well set Danforth 13 pounder.

"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an overkill.
Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking strain of your
5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1" dia nylon is
about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and the question
of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead , which would
allow you to stow a longer length of it.

"Edgar" wrote in message
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"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message
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I would say that with the exception of an occasional manual windless
they are all equipped with electric anchor windless and probably 90%+
are using all chain rode and fairly heavy anchors. My own 40 ft sloop
displaces about 13 tons and has 45 lb. and 60 lb. CQR anchors and 200
ft. of 5/16 inch chain. If I were making off shore voyages I would
carry an additional 100 mtrs of 1 inch nylon rode for a total of 528
feet. Probably fairly typical of the anchoring equipment you see here.

Just for information (and I don't recommend it) I did make a trip down
to Malaysia and back with an inoperative anchor windless and hauled
the anchor once a day by hand, for six days.

I would suggest that your proposed 1" rode would be somewhat of an
overkill. Although the possibility of chafe is a factor the breaking
strain of your 5/16 chain is about 3 tons, while the breaking strain of 1"
dia nylon is about 10 tons. Certainly you must consider safety factors and
the question of chafe on the nylon but I would suggest 14mm nylon instead
, which would allow you to stow a longer length of it.




Bruce in Bangkok is all talk and no action. He's been stuck there at the
dock for thirty years now. He let that slip in one of his posts a couple
months ago.

5/16 chain is inadequate for a boat his size. A boat his size is too large
for his abilities to sail in the first place. That is why he's been stuck
for so long - no longer sailing - but still trying to sound like an expert.
A man should sail a boat that has properly sized anchors for it that he can
weigh without mechanical assistance. This means a boat of 30 foot max for a
single-hander. About 34 feet for a crew of two. A fit male sailor can weigh
anchors in the 30 pound range with a suitable length of chain attached by
hand.

For a 13 ton, 40-footer one should use 3/8 chain and 5/8 inch nylon. Twin
bowers should be 60 pounds each minimum and storm anchor stowed below over a
hundred pounds.

Wilbur Hubbard

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:52:02 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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Back is good. Boat is insured. lol

Also, I tend to be pretty cautious about where I anchor when by myself. I
don't put the boat in a spot that's relatively unprotected should the wind
increase, such as near the entrance to Sausalito. I stick with the lee of
Angel Island or Paradise. Local knowledge and all that....

A lot depends on priorities and how you use the boat. If we're out
cruising in the boondocks the anchor system *is* the insurance policy,
the insurance that we and the boat will be ok when, not if, a squall
comes through in the middle of the night.

On the other hand if you are mostly say sailing in your own backyard,
any old lunch hook will do. I'm always amazed at the holding power
of a well set Danforth 13 pounder.


Yep. I'm mostly in the SF bay, but do take overnights in the bay and in
other nearby places. If you're careful about where you stop, you can always
get decent holding. My Bruce is in the same range. I think my old boat shoe
would hold well in bay mud. If I was going anywhere of significance, I would
upgrade the current Bruce. (I also have a backup Danforth 13 in a lazz.)


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