Sal Monella wrote:

If you are wondering what happened simply ask the captain of the ship if he
is returned alive for $10 million.


I have got a feeling there are one or two ways to both save the Captain
and deny the pirates their booty. We'll see!

Brian W

"Martin" wrote in message
...

I heard this story break on the BBC World service early this morning, that
Somali pirates had hijacked a US flagged container ship and after a battle
lasting several hours had taken the ship,,,

Then on the way home this afternoon I hear on NPR that the American crew
had taken the ship back, but not the captain...

http://apnews.excite.com/article/200...D97EG5800.html

I wonder what happened, did the Americans, sick of terrorist jerks taking
whatever they want say "Enough, we're not going to roll over like a bunch
of underpaid Filipinos." "We're UNION, and no non-union crew is gonna run
this boat" :-)

Cheers
Martin


I don't quite get it... seems to me that if the pirates are operating from
larger vessels in international waters (or not), why don't we go after the
larger motherships? They should be that hard to identify.

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"Gogarty" wrote in message
...

These aren't Q ships we are dealing with. They are run-of-the-mill
rattletrap
fishing boats. They don't fly the Jolly Roger. India did take one out if I
recall correctly.


Task some of our spy satellites with monitoring ocean activities in the
affected region. Speedboats being serviced by "rattletrap fishing boats"
hundreds of miles from Somalia can be considered a "smoking gun." Both the
speedboats and the "rattletrap fishing boats" should be blown out of the
water. We've bombed villages in Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan with less
evidence.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...

These aren't Q ships we are dealing with. They are run-of-the-mill
rattletrap
fishing boats. They don't fly the Jolly Roger. India did take one out if
I
recall correctly.


Task some of our spy satellites with monitoring ocean activities in the
affected region. Speedboats being serviced by "rattletrap fishing boats"
hundreds of miles from Somalia can be considered a "smoking gun." Both the
speedboats and the "rattletrap fishing boats" should be blown out of the
water. We've bombed villages in Iraq, Pakistan and Afganistan with less
evidence.





Why don't we use the unmanned drones?

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...


Why don't we use the unmanned drones?

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Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter
of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
news

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...


Why don't we use the unmanned drones?

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Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter
of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates.



I think they would do just fine to at least spot the bad guys. As someone
else said, all you have to do is observe a ratty fishing boat with
speedboats in attendance. Let the Navy take it from there.

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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:58:10 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Capt. JG" wrote in message
reasolutions...


Why don't we use the unmanned drones?

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Drones aren't very good at separating good guys from bad guys. As a matter
of principle, I am opposed to using robots to kill people. Even pirates.

What drones. I don't believe there are any over there. There are some
RPV, remotely piloted vehicles, with a human operator who can tell
right from wrong. Just look for ladders in small boats.

Casady

Gogarty wrote in
:

Have you seen what the Press calls speed boats? These aren't
ChrisCrafts. Put a big enugh engine on a dory and it's a speed boat.




Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons. As pirates swim away Seals simply sink them one at a time, saving
ears, of course, like they did in 'Nam, all filmed by special Aljazeera
news crew with infrared cams offered free by US gummit to show other
pirates with sat TV/internet back on land. When last pirate jumps
overboard Seals waiting under lifeboat inflate floatation ring before tied
up captain drowns inside lifeboat.

I bet Seals have underwater torches you can't even hear burning steel right
in front of you.

Taxpayers probably paid $10,000 each for them....dammit.

If you think CIA spooks are scary, it's because you've never met a real
US Navy SEAL.

SEALs present ears to astonished Aljazeera on-camera talking head while
staring into camera telling others watching their ear collection needs
expanding....

This place would make a great "practice zone" for testing and training.
Someone ashore knows who these pirates are and what boats they use. SEALS
could take them out and noone would have any idea who it was.

A tax on shipping companies to pay for it would be nice, but I wouldn't
hold my breath....

Shoot them in the head. Whats the problem, I don't see how the
pirates should beable to get with in a 1000 yards.

Being military trained, give me a rife (50cal) and the pirates would
get one chance not to get within a 1000 yard range. I can't see how
hard this is, yes I saw the news reports were the ships carry oil and
other flamable material and worry about fire arms aboard ship , but if
your going in area waters where this has happened 50 times this year.
where is the commen sense?

Yes I'm more then willing to join a crew at this time just to deal
with this problem.

wrote:

Shoot them in the head. Whats the problem, I don't see how the
pirates should beable to get with in a 1000 yards.

Being military trained, give me a rife (50cal) and the pirates would
get one chance not to get within a 1000 yard range. I can't see
how
hard this is, yes I saw the news reports were the ships carry oil
and
other flamable material and worry about fire arms aboard ship , but
if
your going in area waters where this has happened 50 times this
year.
where is the commen sense?

Yes I'm more then willing to join a crew at this time just to deal
with this problem.

Major problems with firearms on commercial vessels trying to get in
and out of port without extensive delays for firm arm inspections,
approvals, etc.

OTOH, a couple of 1,000 HP Cummins diesels hooked up to fore and aft
located fire pumps with 1,500 GPM output thru a 6"-8" nozzle is a
whole "nuther" kettle of fish.

Lew