The combined ignorance of this group is appalling!

1. The orange lifeboat in question is unsinkable, in whole or in pieces.

2. The only time Ganz ever used a blowtorch was for a crackpipe.

3. The 5"38 was outmoded a long time ago. Current use is 5"54 which is also
being phased out and replaced by http://www.navysite.de/weapons/mk-45.htm
which is loaded with mistakes. Perhaps and expert in naval gunnery, other
than myself would be so kind to correct the mistakes.

4. 50 cal shoulder rifle on a ship? Not likely since there are other much
more effective and accurate things already in place.
http://www.navysite.de/weapons/mk-38.htm



They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as myself
would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below the lifeboat,
lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:14:49 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting apparatus for
seagoing vessels."

When they were getting all the placer gold in California, they would
build dams upstream with pipelines to large nozzles, I think bigger
than anything ever used for fire fighting. They would wash every bit
of sand and gravel in a canyon downstream into the sluices. Also all
the soil and vegetation. They had the mineral rights, meaning the
right to **** it up for thousands of years to come. There is a
fountain in Arizona the puts the water up 560 feet. The ultimate
nozzle. And they think handguns are dick substitutes, but whatever.

Casady

"Sal Monella" wrote in
:

They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as
myself would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below
the lifeboat, lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!




And do we blame your infinite wisdom for the dead captain and let you tell
his wife how stupid we were to have killed him, oh mighty master mariner,
or is that baiter?

"KLC Lewis" wrote in
et:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
...

"Richard Casady" wrote:

You are grossly underestimating the flow per HP.

Details.

When the project becomes funded is the time for engineering.

Lew

I would recommend that the project be entitled, "Firefighting
apparatus for seagoing vessels."



Don't forget we need to put GLOBAL WARMING both in the title and in the
main body text to get funded 100%, now.

You wrote:
In article ,
Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.
Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction.

Wrong. Do go and get some more accurate information. This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....


Cheers
Martin

Sal Monella wrote:



They only way to deal with the pirates, as a master mariner such as myself
would know, is to have a nuclear submarine surface right below the lifeboat,
lift it out of the water and then let the fun begin!


Excellent idea Gilly! To bad the Capt. would have to be sacrificed, but
the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. Take the whole
lot out, send a few boys in with Warthogs and waste anything along the
shore, likely as not they're all terrorists anyway.

Cheers
Martin

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:58:43 GMT, You wrote:

In article ,
Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.

Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction. Navy Seals could do a very slick job on this rescue.
I was VERY surprised that the Navy was NOT paying attention when the
skipper jumped overboard, and didn't shoot the raft you once he had left
the LifeRaft. Some really "Screwed the Pouch" for missing that.... The
Navy should bring a Seal Team to the area, and launch them from a Nuke
Sub, 50 feet blow the raft. Put a small hole in the Air Chambers of the
raft, from below, and then pull the pirates underwater,as they abandon
the raft. The pirates weapons are useless underwater, so the Seals would
be in Full Control of the situation, and then have the Sub just surface
right under the sinking raft.... This isn't Rocket Science, and IS a
practiced senerio that Seals train for....

That kind of ship has boats not rafts. Something called SOLAS. Little
things like a sailing rig or an engine and 300 miles worth of fuel.
You are the first to say it is a raft. Wonder why. Standard equipment
is two boats on davits, or one freefall boat in a launching rack at
the stern. They make a special model for tankers, so they say at the
lifeboat company website. You can see for yourself at the Panama Canal
webcams. www.pancanal.com

A quick copy and paste from a quick Google:

Washington - The lifeboat that Somali pirates are using to hold a US
cargo ship captain abducted from his vessel has apparently run out of
fuel, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.

Clinton is a lying sack of ****, but I will take her word over yours
this time.

Casady

On Apr 11, 5:28*pm, Martin wrote:
You wrote:
In article ,
*Richard Casady wrote:

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:36:24 +0000, Larry wrote:

Seals swim in from sub at 0300 local and quietly burn 1" hole in bottom of
lifeboat then simply swim away. *Panic ensues as lifeboat sinks for unknown
reasons.
Bull****. Lifeboats are unsinkable, will float when full of water. I
crossed the atlantic, bed about fifteen feet from a lifeboat, and got
a good look at it. Talked to the crew as well. Lowering gear is pretty
complicated. They make a point of telling the passengers that there
are two lifeboat seats per person. They don't tell you that if the
ship has a fair list, you maybe can only launch half of them.

Casady

Bull**** is right..... This a "LifeRaft" inflatable and is of Rubberized
Cloth Construction.

Wrong. *Do go and get some more accurate information. *This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....

Cheers
Martin- Hide quoted text -

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Thats Right Martin
Here is the boat picture
http://imgsrv.wbz.com/image/wbz/User...oat(karen).jpg

Since his escape was botched, you can bet they have him hog tied
below, forward.

Thermal camera and 3 quick shots from a drone is my vote. Not
politically correct.
The pirates are victims of poverty, social outcasts that need
understanding not agression, and a positive role model .

100 degrees, no fuel, no help..... just sit it out is the best option
now. They have to be miserable. It would be a good time to start
blasting some annoying music 24-7, searchlight, buzzing with helos
sonar pings...ect..ect....

Your not going to drill a hole in one, or surface a sub under
one...ect.
Out lasting them will be easy.

Joe

"Martin" wrote in message
...

To bad the Capt. would have to be sacrificed, but
the good of the many outweighs the good of the few.

Why do you think the Capt chose to be in the predicament he's in, rather
than the whole crew?

Why didn't those well-fed Union workers over power the 4 starving Africans?

I bet if those pirates crossed a picket line they would be dead by now.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 18:28:08 -0400, Martin
wrote:

Wrong. Do go and get some more accurate information. This is a
completely enclosed SOLAS lifeboat, fiberglass, food for many days, a
couple of days worth of fuel, launched from a railway at the stern of
the ship....

You can see these freefall boats on the ships at the Miraflores Locks,
the Panama Canal. They have webcams. I thought it might be a freefall
boat since you pull a trigger to launch one, not lower it on cables.
Much quicker and easier when the **** is in the fan.

http://www.pancanal.com/common/multi...flores-hi.html

The lighting in the morning is best. In the late afternoon the sun
shines into the lens, and the autoexposure averages things, leaving
everything but the sky too dark.

Casady