"cavelamb" wrote in message
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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:06:50 -0600, cavelamb
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:27:03 -0600, cavelamb
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anybody have any cool navigation tricks to share?

We went over running fixes tonight in class.


got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.
Where do you sail out of?

I'm near Dallas!
We race on Lake Ray Hubbard, and go down to Galveston Bay for salt water
sailing.

Block Island is some exotic location where you might repair a boat.

Richard

Are you talking about Block Island, RI?

On the Martha's Vineyard chart.

Interesting choice of charts for navigation training, huh?


That's the standard. Sailors from all over the country are trained and
tested for that spot.

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www.sailnow.com

cavelamb wrote:
anybody have any cool navigation tricks to share?

We went over running fixes tonight in class.


got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.

Keep all three GPSs dry, and spare Lion cells on hand?
(How crass of me!)

Brian W :-)

Brian Whatcott wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
anybody have any cool navigation tricks to share?

We went over running fixes tonight in class.


got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.

Keep all three GPSs dry, and spare Lion cells on hand?
(How crass of me!)

Brian W :-)


All the GPS shows is course to destination.

Based on that, how does one determine set and drift?

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:11:49 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

All the GPS shows is course to destination.

Based on that, how does one determine set and drift?

Deviation from your dead reckoning plot, assuming you maintain a DR.

"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Brian Whatcott wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
anybody have any cool navigation tricks to share?

We went over running fixes tonight in class.


got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.

Keep all three GPSs dry, and spare Lion cells on hand?
(How crass of me!)

Brian W :-)


All the GPS shows is course to destination.

Based on that, how does one determine set and drift?


If you don't have a chartplotter associated with the unit, then the paper
chart is how. I don't have a chartplotter (yet)... don't really need it,
since most of my sailing is done on or near the bay, and I'm quite familiar
with the currents. For me, it mostly doesn't matter that much. When the fog
rolls in, we tend to avoid the shipping lanes and keep a good watch.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

cavelamb wrote:
Brian Whatcott wrote:
cavelamb wrote:
anybody have any cool navigation tricks to share?

We went over running fixes tonight in class.


got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.

Keep all three GPSs dry, and spare Lion cells on hand?
(How crass of me!)

Brian W :-)


All the GPS shows is course to destination.

Based on that, how does one determine set and drift?

Even the simplest of handhelds give you cross track error,,, from that
it's a trivial calculation.

Cheers
Martin

On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:11:49 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

All the GPS shows is course to destination.

Based on that, how does one determine set and drift?

The wiseass answer is that that is what air navigation slide rules are
for.

Pilots do it at 600 mph with all the gear on their lap, or at least
they used to. When I learned to fly the navaid was VOR, which gave you
the heading and distance from a station, and you set it and kept the
needle centered. You fles over the stations rather than the shortest
distance. The gear learned to read two stations and give you lat long
and other things. Called that area nav. Very expensive and forgotten,
like Decca. You could get sextant size fixes, half a mile. In good
weather, DR would get you within sight of the destination after 300
miles without a fix, once you had the wind figured.

Who remembers Consol and Consolan. You listened to a tone and got a
line of position. All you needed was a short wave radio. That **** is
long gone and nearly forgotten. I have not thought of either for
decades.

Set and drift? Why would you care, when there is no reason to know.
When you can just set the true course and keep the needle centered.
GPS gives you something to steer by, not a starting point for
calculation.. You center the needle and and go straight there. In a
fast powerboat speed and heading changes show up quickly. Did I
mention that it will display a speedometer.What it does is store fixes
and calculate the speed and course. It will show track on a lat long
grid.Assuming you have the features of a ten year old handheld.
I bought a handheld about ten years ago that did everything damn near.
If it could cook Id have married it. Could have a
compass dial. Did maps.Had a 3x3 screen with red lighting. Took 8 AA
or the lighter socket. While many electronics run on anything from 6
to 36, it is in fact, 12 V. Eats batteries. You could remove the tilt
adjustable antenna and use a remote cable. Eagle, the freshwater
fishfinder makers.

I get the impression you have never been near a GPS.

If all they did was lat long to sextant accuracy, they would still
sell.

Casady

Dave wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:27:03 -0600, cavelamb said:

got to go to Block Island!
Always wanted to go there.

It is indeed a very nice stop. Gets very crowded, though. Our club keeps a
mooring there for members.

Some day (in the hopefully not to distant future) we are going to cast off from
our normal mundane lives, and sail up the ICW to "Down East".

Then turn around and run for our lives from the cold!


It should be a whale of a trip.

I keep telling myself that. And self keeps saying, yeahbut first we have to
blah blah blah.

I think to make this thing happen, I'm going to have to quit listening to
that part of myself and just load up and go.

That's the only way anybody ever actually breaks loose, isn't it.


Richard

On Feb 13, 10:32*am, cavelamb wrote:

I think to make this thing happen, I'm going to have to quit listening to
that part of myself and just load up and go.

What is that part of yourself telling you?

it's hard to beat Twains advice

“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off
the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in
your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”

If you need an example of what can happen if you put off your dreams
to long ....just look at Nellie.


That's the only way anybody ever actually breaks loose, isn't it.

The perfect time will never come if you are waiting for it.

Joe

Richard

Joe wrote:

Hi Joe!
How ya been?

On Feb 13, 10:32 am, cavelamb wrote:

I think to make this thing happen, I'm going to have to quit listening to
that part of myself and just load up and go.

What is that part of yourself telling you?

Probably what we call the "sensible" self.

The part that notices that most people don't do crazy adventurous stuff any
more. It's so much safer, cheaper, and comfortable to stay home and watch
crazy people have their adventures on TV.

I can't attribute correctly, but I recall someone quoted as saying an
adventure was someone *else* suffering from their foolishness thousands of
miles from home - or something to that effect.


Twain's advice calls to my heart though!

it's hard to beat Twains advice

“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off
the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in
your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”

If you need an example of what can happen if you put off your dreams
to long ....just look at Nellie.

That's the only way anybody ever actually breaks loose, isn't it.

The perfect time will never come if you are waiting for it.

Joe
Richard