"Way Back Jack" wrote in message
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On 06 Feb 2009 21:38:13 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

Yeah, a conservative Congress compromised with Willie into changing
AFDC into TANF, but abuse still prevails.


Ever going to migrate to the new century Wayback? How many "enterprises"
are capable of abusing various states debit systems, anyhow?

I'll migrate into socialism with fists flying and feet kicking,
twinky.



And guns blazing in my case.

--
Gregory Hall

How many days has the dweeb been in office, not counting Saturdays and
Sundays for Vanity Fair photo shoots?

India: "You're barking up the wrong tree."

EU: "We'll have a trade war."

Kirghizistan: "Yankee Go Home!"

Iran: "We have lift-off!"

His exsistence has been charmed. He's never really earned
anything politically: did nothing in the State Senate, had a cup of
coffee in the US Senate, and skated into the White House on the
shoulders of the media and white liberal "guilt."

But he's finding out that other Nations don't pamper him as we do, the
latest being socialist Canuckistan whom you would think would be his
bed partner.

It's going to be interesting watching this empty suit squirm.

Yo, Barry, It gets harder.











On 06 Feb 2009 22:18:40 GMT, Robb wrote:

Gregory Hall wrote:

"Way Back Jack" wrote in message
...
On 06 Feb 2009 21:38:13 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

Yeah, a conservative Congress compromised with Willie into changing
AFDC into TANF, but abuse still prevails.


Ever going to migrate to the new century Wayback? How many
"enterprises" are capable of abusing various states debit systems,
anyhow?

I'll migrate into socialism with fists flying and feet kicking, twinky.

So - abuse of debit systems is 0.00%. Thanks for the acknowledgment.

And guns blazing in my case.

Yessir, kill kill kill a taxman for jeezus! Both of you are totally
mentally owned, mere slaves to a vast liberal left-wing conspiracy.

Get potato next week. Week after FEMA Peanut Butter!



--
Robb | Shared Secrets Usenet

"Way Back Jack" wrote in message
...

How many days has the dweeb been in office, not counting Saturdays and
Sundays for Vanity Fair photo shoots?

India: "You're barking up the wrong tree."

EU: "We'll have a trade war."

Kirghizistan: "Yankee Go Home!"

Iran: "We have lift-off!"

His exsistence has been charmed. He's never really earned
anything politically: did nothing in the State Senate, had a cup of
coffee in the US Senate, and skated into the White House on the
shoulders of the media and white liberal "guilt."

But he's finding out that other Nations don't pamper him as we do, the
latest being socialist Canuckistan whom you would think would be his
bed partner.

It's going to be interesting watching this empty suit squirm.

Yo, Barry, It gets harder.


He's totally out of his league. When he speaks it's all a bunch of liberal
talking points. Individual statements don't make sense. From day to day said
statements are often contradictory. The man has no convictions other than
his liberal brainwashing. He's a walking, talking, teleprompter that loses
power from time to time which results in stuttering and incoherency.

He's going to be a worse failure than Jimmie Carter. The voters should be
ashamed of themselves. Dopes!

--
Gregory Hall

Barry was so damn frustrated by the Repubs in the House not buying
into Porkulus. Why? He didn't need them for it to pass.

I'll tell ya why. The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he
can say that both sides were for it. If it fails without support from
the other side, his side can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.








On 06 Feb 2009 23:34:33 GMT, Robb wrote:

Gregory Hall wrote:

"Way Back Jack" wrote in message
...

How many days has the dweeb been in office, not counting Saturdays and
Sundays for Vanity Fair photo shoots?

India: "You're barking up the wrong tree."

EU: "We'll have a trade war."

Kirghizistan: "Yankee Go Home!"

Iran: "We have lift-off!"

His exsistence has been charmed. He's never really earned anything
politically: did nothing in the State Senate, had a cup of coffee in
the US Senate, and skated into the White House on the shoulders of the
media and white liberal "guilt."

But he's finding out that other Nations don't pamper him as we do, the
latest being socialist Canuckistan whom you would think would be his
bed partner.

It's going to be interesting watching this empty suit squirm.

Yo, Barry, It gets harder.


He's totally out of his league. When he speaks it's all a bunch of
liberal talking points. Individual statements don't make sense. From day
to day said statements are often contradictory. The man has no
convictions other than his liberal brainwashing. He's a walking,
talking, teleprompter that loses power from time to time which results
in stuttering and incoherency.

He's going to be a worse failure than Jimmie Carter. The voters should
be ashamed of themselves. Dopes!

U.S. Senate made a tenative agreement to one whopper of a 780 billion
dollar bailout for you guys, don't thank a liberal but you'll be spending
a tax credit this year. Maybe get some free goberment cheese - if your
luk holds.

Hold on We're not done YET!! Sending in overpaid teachers to lern' all
the little virgins how to not become "STD infected whores".

BOYS!!! Get "Factory in a Kit" - opportunity to invest in your own
business with goberment designed OSHA approved, UnionJack bicycles. Start
manufacturing and hire yo friends and mommas. Don't smoke pot,
put chicken inside pdf's now available on your local GOV_BroadBand
website!

"Build a bridge to somewhere and save a nation"



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Robb | Shared Secrets Usenet

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says...
Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both sides
were for it. If it fails without support from the other side, his side
can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it
is. Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're
good for right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for
reelection in 2010.

Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

Tax cuts != stimulus spending. Yet that's all the Repubs can come up
with. The Bush tax cuts were an Epic Fail, and they keep banging
that same drum. And they are opposed to productive spending that
will get the biggest return in terms of change in one year real GDP.

Compare these from Moody's Economy.com:

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02
Temp across the board tax cut: 1.03
Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37
Perm cut corporate tax rate: .30

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64
Temp increase in food stamps: 1.73
General aid to state govt: 1.36
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...the-impact-of-
the-fiscal-stimulus.pdf

Get the money out to the people who will spend it now. Corporate tax
cuts? Epic Fail in terms of stimulus.
--
Kali

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...502766_pf.html

The Fierce Urgency of Pork

(...)

And yet more damaging to Obama's image than all the hypocrisies in the
appointment process is his signature bill: the stimulus package. He
inexplicably delegated the writing to Nancy Pelosi and the barons of
the House. The product, which inevitably carries Obama's name, was not
just bad, not just flawed, but a legislative abomination.

It's not just pages and pages of special-interest tax breaks,
giveaways and protections, one of which would set off a ruinous
Smoot-Hawley trade war. It's not just the waste, such as the $88.6
million for new construction for Milwaukee Public Schools, which,
reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, have shrinking enrollment, 15
vacant schools and, quite logically, no plans for new construction.

It's the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal
rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs)
are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an
immediate job-creating stimulus -- and then throwing into it hundreds
of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own
budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are
little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven
parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said.

Not just to abolish but to create something new -- a new politics
where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past
would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy.
That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the "fierce
urgency of now" includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and
farm-raised fish) insurance.

The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of
old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time
the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal,
pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a
new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax
savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were
fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting
"planted" for "ready to market" would mean a windfall garnered from a
new "bonus depreciation" incentive.

After Obama's miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that
at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation
would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The
hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great
ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that
all presidents tell -- and that this president told better than
anyone.

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half
weeks.










On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:48:47 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , -
says...
Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both sides
were for it. If it fails without support from the other side, his side
can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it
is. Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're
good for right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for
reelection in 2010.

Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

Tax cuts != stimulus spending. Yet that's all the Repubs can come up
with. The Bush tax cuts were an Epic Fail, and they keep banging
that same drum. And they are opposed to productive spending that
will get the biggest return in terms of change in one year real GDP.

Compare these from Moody's Economy.com:

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02
Temp across the board tax cut: 1.03
Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37
Perm cut corporate tax rate: .30

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64
Temp increase in food stamps: 1.73
General aid to state govt: 1.36
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...the-impact-of-
the-fiscal-stimulus.pdf

Get the money out to the people who will spend it now. Corporate tax
cuts? Epic Fail in terms of stimulus.
--
Kali

In article , top-
posted like a maroon and said...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...502766_pf.html

The Fierce Urgency of Pork

(...)

By Charles Krauthammer. What's the matter, you can't make the
argument yourself? Any comment on the (lack of) stimulus the Rethug
tax cuts would provide? You need to stop reading "GOP Sour Grapes"
and check with some real economists.

You can start with Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman:

NYT Blog, February 6, 2009, 1:33 pm
What all but 5 Republicans support
"Thirty-six out of 41 Republican Senators voted for the proposed
DeMint amendment to the stimulus bill — a massive package of
permanent tax cuts that would create a huge hole in the budget,
while doing very little to help the economy.

There isn’t much room for bipartisanship when 87.8% of the other
party is totally irresponsible."

Latest spending cuts:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/...uts/index.html

"Bipartisan group of senators reaches compromise on stimulus bill

Items partially cut include funds for FBI construction, federal
hybrid cars, EPA

Items entirely cut include funds for federal prisons, NASA, school
construction"

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:48:47 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , -
says...
Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both sides
were for it. If it fails without support from the other side, his side
can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it
is. Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're
good for right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for
reelection in 2010.

Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

Tax cuts != stimulus spending. Yet that's all the Repubs can come up
with. The Bush tax cuts were an Epic Fail, and they keep banging
that same drum. And they are opposed to productive spending that
will get the biggest return in terms of change in one year real GDP.

Compare these from Moody's Economy.com:

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02
Temp across the board tax cut: 1.03
Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37
Perm cut corporate tax rate: .30

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64
Temp increase in food stamps: 1.73
General aid to state govt: 1.36
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...the-impact-of-
the-fiscal-stimulus.pdf

Get the money out to the people who will spend it now. Corporate tax
cuts? Epic Fail in terms of stimulus.
--
Kali

--
Kali

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half
weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provided
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska blowing
giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah Palins
husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

[adding m.s for my good friend Gummy]

Kali wrote:
In article , -
says...
Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both sides
were for it. If it fails without support from the other side, his side
can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it
is. Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're
good for right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for
reelection in 2010.

[snip]

There really is a partisan shift in the nation towards the Democrats.
There's a short summary here, under the heading "Long-term Partisan
Shifts Analyzed":

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp200...s/Feb09-s.html

with a link to more specific data he

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do...?diaryId=11450

In short, outside the South the Democrats have made deep gains. The
South is the only region redder than 4 years ago, and not even the whole
South. Gummy's hoped-for Ragnarok looks even more kooky nowadays than
it did then.

--

"You know how long it would take for the court house to scan every
document and put it online. It would NEVER happen."

(Jamie)


"Of course I would never steal software by using cracks but some people
who are less than ethical might not mind using a crack which is licensed
to Trang Nguyen. He he!"

(Gregory Hall)


"Liberal men are too much like women and a relationship with them ends
up awfully boring."

(Gregory Hall)


"And, Gary also needs to offer to re-instate my DataBasux account as a
gesture of sincerity."

(Gregory Hall)

In article , -
says...
Kali wrote:

In article , -
says...
Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both
sides were for it. If it fails without support from the other side,
his side can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.

I predict another Dem sweep in 2010, as more and more middle class
people wake up and see the GOP for what it is, not what it says it is.
Stonewalling and whining about tax cuts is about all they're good for
right now, with a few exceptions: vulnerable Rethugs up for reelection
in 2010.

I do too. There's not enough time for a political recovery to benefit
the left-behinds in '10. They're still weeping en-masse over the ass of a
red-skirted MILF. I'm serious about that, the ****ers are all around here.
Repugs seriously lust for that crazy puppy-murdering bitch.

And that's not even the worst thing about her. Her religion scares
the **** out of me. Have you heard of Dominionism? (think Pat
Robertson, Falwell, Hagee, Focus on the Family, and the push toward
a Christian theocracy.) She's their perfect puppet.

Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

Tax cuts != stimulus spending. Yet that's all the Repubs can come up
with. The Bush tax cuts were an Epic Fail, and they keep banging that
same drum. And they are opposed to productive spending that will get the
biggest return in terms of change in one year real GDP.

Kali, you're talking about a group of idiots with thug politicians serving
cherries on their heads. Politicians, who're leading them around by the
nose.

They're told what to think and are force-fed canned rhetoric by Pinbaugh,
O'really, Inannity, Fuchannan, et:al. One will post a red- blooded
think-not criticism on anything "stim" (spending) TODAY, it is a mandate
to slap at anyone expressing insight or positivity.

Amen to that, brotha.

Compare these from Moody's Economy.com:

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02 -(+) ^^^ Temp across the board tax cut:
1.03 -(+)^^^ Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29 -(+) ^^^^

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48 - (-)
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29 - (-)
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37 - (-) Perm cut corporate tax rate:
.30 -(-)

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64 -(+) ^^^^^ Temp increase in food
stamps: 1.73 -(+) ^^^^^ General aid to state govt: 1.36 -(+)^^^^
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59 -(+)^^^^^

Scored! Why don't wingnuts recognize human RESOURCES are compatible with
increasing an economy.

Yeah, people earning paychecks and spending money? Who knew?

(caveat on those multipliers, see the Business Week article on this,
it frames the debate in a very digestible way)

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...n2009/db200901
27_702149.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

You've seen figures for job growth by-the-numbers
for the next decade(s) I trust?

Not yet, in my crash course in economics. Wish I'd studied it in
school, because it interests me now. Back then I likened an econ
course to watching paint dry.

But I did see a verrrry scary graph on Huffpo earlier today:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...chart-what-36-
mi_n_164828.html

Job losses in the three most recent recessions, compliments of Bush
Sr. and Dubya. We need some horizontal movement in that line that is
us now, or we're fux0red.

Get the money out to the people who will spend it now. Corporate tax
cuts? Epic Fail in terms of stimulus.

Problem is - even in the best of times, you can't turn a battleship full
about on a putting green. Productivity has supposedly climbed, if so,
that's a positive. And why are you chatting with a known libertine?

Ooooh libertine. I had no idea! Please continue.
--
Kali

“This is not a stimulus bill; it is a spending bill.”
-Sen. John McCain

“What do you think a stimulus is? Spending, that is the whole
point.” -Pres. Barack Obama