On 07 Feb 2009 21:22:26 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:59:38 GMT, Robb wrote:

Restless wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:23:42 -0500, Kali wrote:


You can start with Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman:

Not intersted in socialist economists.

More like disenchanted with life. You do know an "economist" is nothing
special, except for the specialized education, anyone can be one, no
license required.

Tell it to the other idiot who worships at his altar.

Kali? She can outread the both of us.

Especially the writings of socialist economists.



But can understand why those of you tit suckers who want Uncle Sugar
to pay for abortions, sex ed, child care, job-finding assistance would
be.

Surprised you don't want the government to provide you with a personal
trainer and a masseuse.

How far was your jump to conclusion?

Read the other idiot's wish list.

Too busy watching that darn liberal-brainwashing PBS pop their cork over
Africans starving to death. You know how it is. Oh no, you don't.

Jimmy Carter couldn't save them from themselves.

Obama will fail in similar fashion.

Many $$$$$$billions later.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:23:02 -0800 (PST), =?windows-1252?Q?No_One=99?=
wrote:

On Feb 7, 4:20 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On 07 Feb 2009 21:13:35 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half
weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provided
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

You know, you can recycle the chips on your shoulder.

Yeah, ol' Barry really lost his cool over this porkulus thing.

Sometime better tell him that it gets harder.

The media has already devolved from paralyzed adoration to bobby-soxer
doting.



Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska blowing
giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah Palins
husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

Wasn't it John McCain that proclaimed you guys as racists, xenophobes and
kooks? Talk about a brainwashing, dude, that must have been rougher than
riding a motorcycle upside down on your face.

(it's a visual, try hard)

Barry's the one who played the race card, even against our first black
prez, Willie C.

Oh, please. He never played the race card. Cite? Cite? Cite?

I agree with the cuts. We need to hold back some money for universal
health care.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ce-card-on-me/

(...)

The former president had been asked whether his remarks comparing
Obama’s strong showing in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson in
1988 had been a mistake given their impact on his wife Hillary
Clinton’s campaign. “No, I think that they played the race card on
me,” said Clinton, “and we now know from memos from the campaign and
everything that they planned to do it all along.”

(...)

On 07 Feb 2009 21:33:21 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 21:06:34 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 06 Feb 2009 23:55:34 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

The shrewd ******* is hedging. If it fails, he can say that both
sides were for it. If it fails without support from the other side,
his side can kiss the 2010 and 2012 elections goodbye.


Are you trying to master stating the obvious?

But, but, but ... if the communists think that this is such a sure
thing, they would want to take all the credit for it.

Even someone educated by MTV should see that.

Wearing an achy-breaky heart on your sleeve today?

Cheer up WayBack, someone will drag you kicking-and-screaming into the
decade of prosperity.

I mean, the Unholy Trinity of Obama - Pelosi - Reid were damn near
grinding their molars to dust trying to get the other side to cave.


It's slow ride to Pig****erville, neh? What did you expect by sticking
shrub in as chief lawbreaker a second time. Suck it up - eat more pork.

When they should have been delighted that the other side refused to
vote for it.

On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:23:02 -0800 (PST), =?windows-1252?Q?No_One=99?=



wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:20 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On 07 Feb 2009 21:13:35 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half
weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provided
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

You know, you can recycle the chips on your shoulder.

Yeah, ol' Barry really lost his cool over this porkulus thing.

Sometime better tell him that it gets harder.

The media has already devolved from paralyzed adoration to bobby-soxer
doting.

Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska blowing
giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah Palins
husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

Wasn't it John McCain that proclaimed you guys as racists, xenophobes and
kooks? Talk about a brainwashing, dude, that must have been rougher than
riding a motorcycle upside down on your face.

(it's a visual, try hard)

Barry's the one who played the race card, even against our first black
prez, Willie C.

Oh, please. He never played the race card. Cite? Cite? Cite?

I agree with the cuts. We need to hold back some money for universal
health care.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...inton-obama-ca...

(...)

The former president had been asked whether his remarks comparing
Obama’s strong showing in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson in
1988 had been a mistake given their impact on his wife Hillary
Clinton’s campaign. “No, I think that they played the race card on
me,” said Clinton, “and we now know from memos from the campaign and
everything that they planned to do it all along.”

(...)

“No, I think that they played the race card on me,” said Clinton..."

A statement of opinion reported on a blog doesn't constitute a fact.

In article , says...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:23:42 -0500, Kali wrote:


You can start with Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman:

Not intersted in socialist economists.

He isn't a socialist, he is a liberal.

But can understand why those of you tit suckers who want Uncle Sugar
to pay for abortions, sex ed, child care, job-finding assistance would
be.

Surprised you don't want the government to provide you with a personal
trainer and a masseuse.

Here's a very easily understood primer on the conflict:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...n2009/db200901
27_702149.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

I'll stick with the guy who saw all of this coming a long time ago;
the guy who won a Nobel Prize; an eminent scholar of the Great
Depression. Hopefully there will be enough spending to really get
the economy going again.

You can go ahead and insist on tax cuts only or the extreme
conservative view: do nothing. But I think something is going to be
done, regardless. Personally I think the GOP should sit down and
STFU after what they've dragged us through economically, but I fear
Obama will put the appearance of bipartisanship over all else.

In a couple of years we'll know if Moody's multipliers are correct -
they are less generous on the effect of tax cuts than Obama's team's
multipliers.

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02
Temp across the board tax cut: 1.03
Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37
Perm cut corporate tax rate: .30

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64
Temp increase in food stamps: 1.73
General aid to state govt: 1.36
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...the-impact-of-
the-fiscal-stimulus.pdf

[... and another dumbass wingnut greggie sock goes into the bin.]
--
Kali

“This is not a stimulus bill; it is a spending bill.”
-Sen. John McCain

“What do you think a stimulus is? Spending, that is the whole
point.” -Pres. Barack Obama

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:38:55 -0800 (PST), =?windows-1252?Q?No_One=99?=
wrote:

On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:23:02 -0800 (PST), =3D?windows-1252?Q?No_One=3D99?=
=3D



wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:20 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On 07 Feb 2009 21:13:35 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a =
half
weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provi=
ded
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

You know, you can recycle the chips on your shoulder.

Yeah, ol' Barry really lost his cool over this porkulus thing.

Sometime better tell him that it gets harder.

The media has already devolved from paralyzed adoration to bobby-soxer
doting.

Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska blo=
wing
giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah Palins
husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

Wasn't it John McCain that proclaimed you guys as racists, xenophobes=
and
kooks? Talk about a brainwashing, dude, that must have been rougher t=
han
riding a motorcycle upside down on your face.

(it's a visual, try hard)

Barry's the one who played the race card, even against our first black
prez, Willie C.

Oh, please. He never played the race card. Cite? Cite? Cite?

I agree with the cuts. We need to hold back some money for universal
health care.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...inton-obama-ca...

(...)

The former president had been asked whether his remarks comparing
Obama=92s strong showing in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson in
1988 had been a mistake given their impact on his wife Hillary
Clinton=92s campaign. =93No, I think that they played the race card on
me,=94 said Clinton, =93and we now know from memos from the campaign and
everything that they planned to do it all along.=94

(...)

=93No, I think that they played the race card on me,=94 said Clinton..."

A statement of opinion reported on a blog doesn't constitute a fact.

Your hero Willie said it.

Are you saying that he would lie?

Of course Barry will deny it.

And of course Barry also said that people can't adjust to a president
who looks like him on paper notes.

You interpret that as you see fit, and so will I.

On 07 Feb 2009 21:44:22 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 21:13:35 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a
half weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provided
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

You know, you can recycle the chips on your shoulder.

Yeah, ol' Barry really lost his cool over this porkulus thing.


Porkulus? Bacon is good. Pork Chops are good. Fatback for the masses!

Pig for pigs.


Sometime better tell him that it gets harder.

Be mindful of what Biden said - "this guy will be tested".

The media has already devolved from paralyzed adoration to bobby-soxer
doting.

Yeah but those folk are just loose lip liberals waiting to ...

Their cheerleading is less ardent.

Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska
blowing giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah
Palins husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

Wasn't it John McCain that proclaimed you guys as racists, xenophobes
and kooks? Talk about a brainwashing, dude, that must have been rougher
than riding a motorcycle upside down on your face.

(it's a visual, try hard)

Barry's the one who played the race card, even against our first black
prez, Willie C.


Billy wus BLACK? Dyamm. He sure was good with that little girl "what's
her name"?

Yep. Willy C. was black. He even admits it.

On Feb 7, 4:43 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:38:55 -0800 (PST), =?windows-1252?Q?No_One=99?=



wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:29 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:23:02 -0800 (PST), =3D?windows-1252?Q?No_One=3D99?=
=3D

wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:20 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
On 07 Feb 2009 21:13:35 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:49:16 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a =
half
weeks.

On cue. Are you going to drop Townhall in here next?

Right after I finish reading the "journalism" the other idiot provi=
ded
from Pravda West (NYTimes).

You know, you can recycle the chips on your shoulder.

Yeah, ol' Barry really lost his cool over this porkulus thing.

Sometime better tell him that it gets harder.

The media has already devolved from paralyzed adoration to bobby-soxer
doting.

Wayback, if you're retired wouldn't you be happier up in Alaska blo=
wing
giant assed holes in things? Like polar bears, wolves, Sarah Palins
husband?

It's more fun trying to educate brainwashed liberals.

Wasn't it John McCain that proclaimed you guys as racists, xenophobes=
and
kooks? Talk about a brainwashing, dude, that must have been rougher t=
han
riding a motorcycle upside down on your face.

(it's a visual, try hard)

Barry's the one who played the race card, even against our first black
prez, Willie C.

Oh, please. He never played the race card. Cite? Cite? Cite?

I agree with the cuts. We need to hold back some money for universal
health care.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...inton-obama-ca....

(...)

The former president had been asked whether his remarks comparing
Obama=92s strong showing in South Carolina to that of Jesse Jackson in
1988 had been a mistake given their impact on his wife Hillary
Clinton=92s campaign. =93No, I think that they played the race card on
me,=94 said Clinton, =93and we now know from memos from the campaign and
everything that they planned to do it all along.=94

(...)

=93No, I think that they played the race card on me,=94 said Clinton...."

A statement of opinion reported on a blog doesn't constitute a fact.

Your hero Willie said it.

Are you saying that he would lie?

Of course Barry will deny it.

And of course Barry also said that people can't adjust to a president
who looks like him on paper notes.

You interpret that as you see fit, and so will I.


Opinion != lie, but neither does opinion = fact.

UPDATE: At a Pittsburgh press availability, Obama was asked about
Clinton's charge that his campaign had drawn up plans to use 'the race
card.'

“Hold on a second,’’ he said. “So former President Clinton dismissed
my victory in South Carolina as being similar to Jesse Jackson and he
is suggesting that somehow I had something to do with it? You better
ask him what he meant by that. I have no idea what he meant. These
were words that came out of his mouth. Not words that came out of
mine.’’

In article ,
says...
On 07 Feb 2009 21:22:26 GMT, Robb wrote:

Way Back Jack wrote:

On 07 Feb 2009 20:59:38 GMT, Robb wrote:

Restless wrote:

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:23:42 -0500, Kali wrote:


You can start with Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman:

Not intersted in socialist economists.

More like disenchanted with life. You do know an "economist" is nothing
special, except for the specialized education, anyone can be one, no
license required.

Tell it to the other idiot who worships at his altar.

Kali? She can outread the both of us.

Thanks but I reserve the right to be wrong or **** up

Especially the writings of socialist economists.

Great stuff. Even for conservatives (the few left who think).

The Return of Depression Economics and the Crisis of 2008
http://www.wwnorton.com/catalog/spring09/007101.htm

But can understand why those of you tit suckers who want Uncle Sugar
to pay for abortions, sex ed, child care, job-finding assistance would
be.

Surprised you don't want the government to provide you with a personal
trainer and a masseuse.

How far was your jump to conclusion?

Read the other idiot's wish list.

Too busy watching that darn liberal-brainwashing PBS pop their cork over
Africans starving to death. You know how it is. Oh no, you don't.

Jimmy Carter couldn't save them from themselves.

Obama will fail in similar fashion.

Let's all hope not. I don't know where this silly thinking comes
from. As much as I hated Bush, I sure as hell didn't wish for him to
fail. If our leader fails, we all suffer.

Many $$$$$$billions later.

Or trillions in spending like Bush did, and that wasn't any kind of
economic stimulus, either.
--
Kali

“This is not a stimulus bill; it is a spending bill.”
-Sen. John McCain

“What do you think a stimulus is? Spending, that is the whole
point.” -Pres. Barack Obama

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:39:55 -0500, Kali wrote:

In article , says...
On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:23:42 -0500, Kali wrote:


You can start with Nobel Prize winning Paul Krugman:

Not intersted in socialist economists.

He isn't a socialist, he is a liberal.

Yup.

Classic liberalism of the Founders has devolved into a 180.

But can understand why those of you tit suckers who want Uncle Sugar
to pay for abortions, sex ed, child care, job-finding assistance would
be.

Surprised you don't want the government to provide you with a personal
trainer and a masseuse.

Here's a very easily understood primer on the conflict:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/...n2009/db200901
27_702149.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

I'll stick with the guy who saw all of this coming a long time ago;
the guy who won a Nobel Prize; an eminent scholar of the Great
Depression. Hopefully there will be enough spending to really get
the economy going again.

You can go ahead and insist on tax cuts only or the extreme
conservative view: do nothing. But I think something is going to be
done, regardless. Personally I think the GOP should sit down and
STFU after what they've dragged us through economically, but I fear
Obama will put the appearance of bipartisanship over all else.

In a couple of years we'll know if Moody's multipliers are correct -
they are less generous on the effect of tax cuts than Obama's team's
multipliers.

Lump sum tax rebate: 1.02
Temp across the board tax cut: 1.03
Temp payroll tax holiday: 1.29

Perm/extend AMT patch: .48
Bush tax cuts permanent: .29
Cap gains/div tax permanent: .37
Perm cut corporate tax rate: .30

Extend unemployment benefits: 1.64
Temp increase in food stamps: 1.73
General aid to state govt: 1.36
Increased infrastructure spending: 1.59

http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...the-impact-of-
the-fiscal-stimulus.pdf

[... and another dumbass wingnut greggie sock goes into the bin.]
--
Kali

“This is not a stimulus bill; it is a spending bill.”
-Sen. John McCain

“What do you think a stimulus is? Spending, that is the whole
point.” -Pres. Barack Obama

Spending that won't achieve the desired end.

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=10147

Mr. Obama would have us believe that unless they pass his 900 billion
dollar "stimulus" package immediately, our entire nation is going to
plunge into oblivion. That's right, no time to study or rationally
review anything! Just throw massive amounts of worthless money at
random targets and "hope" it all somehow gets better.

Didn't we learn anything at ALL from the last "stimulus" fiasco? More
precisely... is there anybody left in Washington with a brain? And
why the big rush Mr. President? Could it be because your "stimulus"
package is so full of pork it virtually oinks?

It's been jokingly referred to as every Democratic special interest
group's 40 Year Wish List. Most American's don't find that all that
funny. Even The Wall Street Journal said "By our estimate only $90
billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for
something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus. And even
many of these projects aren't likely to help the economy immediately.
The rest is pork."

Here's some of what we can expect out of this newest spending orgy.
The only thing it will stimulate is my sense of outrage!!! What part
of THIS COUNTRY IS ALREADY BANKRUPT do they not understand?


$2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal
power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last
year because it said the project was inefficient.
A $246 million tax break for hollywood movie producers to buy motion
picture film.
$650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
$88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker
(arctic ship).
$448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security
headquarters.
$248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
$600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
$400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent
STD's.
$1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
$125 million for the Washington sewer system.
$150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
$1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of
$3 billion.
$75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
$200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
$75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.
$25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
$500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
$10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
$6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.
$500 million for state and local fire stations.
$650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.
$1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job
programs.
$88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health
Service.
$412 million for CDC buildings and property.
$500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health
facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.
$160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and
Community Service.
$5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of
Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
$850 million for Amtrak.
$100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
$75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State
Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing
facilities of other agencies.
$110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
$200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles
for use on military installations.
Oink. Oink. Oink.