"Larry" wrote in message
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racist crap removed

Yeah, imagine being a child and sitting in a classroom, when without more
than a few seconds warning, you and your friends are killed and injured from
a rocket fired by Hamas.

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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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mmc wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!


Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.

Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of trying
to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a failure. And
the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would have wiped out
an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so surely crosses that
line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.


I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?

Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination of
innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those people? Do
we not care because it's "just Africa".
Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world and
in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.
As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.
Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Stephen

mmc wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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mmc wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!

Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of trying
to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a failure. And
the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would have wiped out
an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so surely crosses that
line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.

Within the last few weeks he said that he wished the Nazis would have
finished the job. You must have missed that. And I haven't seen any
apologies or retractions from him, so it looks like you are defending
someone you shouldn't be defending, eh?

I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?
Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination of
innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those people? Do
we not care because it's "just Africa".

Either you think the US should be more of a policeman to protect
innocents, or less. Here you seem to be saying they should be more. If
so I guess I agree, but if you're saying the US should do less if they
don't do it everywhere, then I disagree. There is a very good reason
they do it more with Israel than most places. Just like there is a very
good reason they are doing it now in Afghanastan, a place where even the
kookiest of conspiracy theorists can't find oil, or Jews ruling the
world, or any other kooky reason to be there besides just doing the
right thing.

Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world and
in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.

You bet!

As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.

Well, if you make it to exclude, say, one race of children who are
targeted by Muslim extremists, then you are as much of a racist as
Larry. Doesn't sound like you are doing that, so hopefully you want the
extremists stopped as much as I do. And if you take even a brief look at
the form of governments desired by Hamas vs Israel, again, the good guys
aren't hard to determine.

Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Of course it matters who we help and who we oppose, even in arguments.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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mmc wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
mmc wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought
it was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!

Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At
least Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.
Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
Sure you should. But there is a point of being morally wrong enough and
rooting for bad and evil to win against good and innocents, and of
trying to convince others to do so, when one should be considered a
failure. And the sort of vile racism where one wishes the Naziis would
have wiped out an entire race, and rooting for someone else to do so
surely crosses that line, doesn't it?

Have you ever actually read anything Larry wrote saying that? I haven't.

Within the last few weeks he said that he wished the Nazis would have
finished the job. You must have missed that. And I haven't seen any
apologies or retractions from him, so it looks like you are defending
someone you shouldn't be defending, eh?

I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too?
Well, if you really don't care about racism and the extermination of
innocents, or are rooting for it to happen, then yes, you are a failure
too. You're not, are you?
I would be if I didn't care about the innocents. Racism and extermination
of innocents happens all over Africa, where is US empathy for those
people? Do we not care because it's "just Africa".

Either you think the US should be more of a policeman to protect
innocents, or less. Here you seem to be saying they should be more. If so
I guess I agree, but if you're saying the US should do less if they don't
do it everywhere, then I disagree. There is a very good reason they do it
more with Israel than most places. Just like there is a very good reason
they are doing it now in Afghanastan, a place where even the kookiest of
conspiracy theorists can't find oil, or Jews ruling the world, or any
other kooky reason to be there besides just doing the right thing.

Racism and genocide have happened throughout history, all over the world
and in many cases commited in the name of Christianity.

You bet!

As to the definition of who is innocent and who is evil, I'll make that
determination for myself, thanks.

Well, if you make it to exclude, say, one race of children who are
targeted by Muslim extremists, then you are as much of a racist as Larry.
Doesn't sound like you are doing that, so hopefully you want the
extremists stopped as much as I do. And if you take even a brief look at
the form of governments desired by Hamas vs Israel, again, the good guys
aren't hard to determine.

Not that my determination will matter to other, just as thiers doesn't
matter to me.

Of course it matters who we help and who we oppose, even in arguments.

Stephen

Stephen,
I don't beleive in anything being black and white as far as who the good
guys and who the bad guys are in Israel any more than I believe we Americans
always deserve to wear the white hat.
In my little world, good and evil exist in all of us and it's up to each to
decide which we will let the world see at any one time.
And yes, I think stepping in when something like the Rwanda genocide was
taking place with 100s of thousands killed, including women and children,
does take a priority over a couple dozen Hamas rockets. Our strategic
partnership is extrememly one sided.
But that doesn't fit the Judeo-Christian goals and objectives does it?
This is my last post on this I don't think we're going to find a common
ground on this subject.
How's your boat? Any cruising plans for this year?

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:44:51 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians would
think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving wife
and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years who
don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his mind
and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.


I didn't say anything about how much money Larry has. You are
projecting. I said he's a failure. In fact he's a failure in many of
the areas where you just said you have not failed.

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
...
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is supposed
to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other, about
jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians would
think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving wife
and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years who
don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his mind
and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you, don't read
it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us learn
to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred isn't the
same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
.. .
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians
would think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving
wife and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years
who don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his
mind and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you,
don't read it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us learn
to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred isn't the
same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in this
country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to labeling
Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad and
not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them, the
rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.

mmc wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
...
"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...
Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......


There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.


I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen