Larry wrote:
Marty wrote in
:

Larry doesn't thing there is an "innocent" Jew, and conveniently
ignores
Hamas' avowed desire to rid the earth of any non-Muslim. Perhaps
I'm
being unfair, could be Larry doesn't believe that Jews are really
human.


Cite me some webpage where Hamas has avowed to kill all Asians or
Australians or New Zealanders or Russians or any OTHER countries NOT
INVOLVED IN SUPPORTING THE ZIONIST TERRORISM OF ISRAEL.

I've never heard any Muslims threatening Canada or Mexico or Panama or
Cuba or any country in South America. Give me some non-Jewish URLs from
the non-Jewish press where that's quoted, too! Will Hamas try to murder
everyone in Belize, too?

Again, Larry you have to open your eyes! You have to consider the
possibility that you *might* be mistaken and the other side of the story
has some merit. How would you ever know if you *never* investigate?

Bin Laden's last message carried a very telling statement. Not one that
he hadn't said before many times, along with Hamas and all those other
extremist nuts.

He said (I'm paraphrasing): "American citizens, we have nothing against
you. All you have to do is convert to Islam and we will be at peace with
you."

Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote in news:3Jcbl.44143
:

He said (I'm paraphrasing): "American citizens, we have nothing
against
you. All you have to do is convert to Islam and we will be at peace
with
you."

Stephen



Well, let's look into the Talmud, shall we? Let's recite that prayer
you Jews repeat where it says thank god you're not a Goyim. I have an
English Koran....and an English Talmud. I've read them both as the cult
books that they both are, along with the Christians' Bible. All three
talk about killing off any humans not of that particular cult. That's
not about Islam, it's about RELIGION and it's very long history of
GENOCIDE and MURDER.

I can read what it says. A Jew translated my copy. This is an
interesting list to save time, he

http://www.missionislam.com/nwo/talmud.htm

Notice Islam is pointing out the same about YOU...

"Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave..."

"Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon
ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should
all be killed")."

These pages of justification for Gentile genocide need to be considered.

"Moses Maimonides: Advocate of Extermination

"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in
Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam,
after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon, "Our
Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon." [Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh
Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,, p. 3].

Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) taught concerning saving people's
lives, especially concerning saving the lives of gentiles and
Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the "divine inspiration" of
the Talmud:

Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn,
New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly,
if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the
river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we
should not save him." The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of
Mishnah Torah states this as well.

Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not
to save a drowning or perishing gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic
duty of Jews towards Goyim, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud.
Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Chapter 10), p. 184:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish
traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit
of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the
people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and
Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."

Now, tell us all how that doesn't mean anything like what THAT SAYS.....

They'd kill us ALL if they could....and are little by little by
little....

One of the most refreshing things about Atheism is being able to step
OUT of the REAL darkness, the shroud of religion, into the REAL light,
seeing what a sham all this religious bull**** and murder and
brainwashing really is.....

Larry wrote:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish
traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit
of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the
people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and
Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."

Now, tell us all how that doesn't mean anything like what THAT SAYS.....

They'd kill us ALL if they could....and are little by little by
little....

One of the most refreshing things about Atheism is being able to step
OUT of the REAL darkness, the shroud of religion, into the REAL light,
seeing what a sham all this religious bull**** and murder and
brainwashing really is.....


No, let's look at the actual actions of the religions and extremists,
whether Muslim or Christian. Let stop any and all of them from
threatening innocent people. So when we find Christian kooks trying to
blow up buildings and kill innocent people we put them in jail or
execute them. When we find large groups of Islamic kooks trying to blow
up buildings and kill innocent people, like Al Qaeda, Hamas, and
Hezbollah, we do the same thing.

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen

On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
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When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen

So, you are going to rewrite three holy books? I don't believe it's
gonna work.

First of all there are at least two versions of the Christian's holy
book and one of them used by a bunch that argues they were appointed
by the founder of the religion and another gang that insists that the
first lot is corrupt.

The Moslems believe that their book is the actual word of God.
Dictated by him/her/it directly to Muhammad.

The Jews believe that certain parts of their book is, again, the
direct word of God, handed down on tablets of stone.

I'm interested, who are you going to get to manage this project?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
Snipped...

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen

So, you are going to rewrite three holy books? I don't believe it's
gonna work.

First of all there are at least two versions of the Christian's holy
book and one of them used by a bunch that argues they were appointed
by the founder of the religion and another gang that insists that the
first lot is corrupt.

The Moslems believe that their book is the actual word of God.
Dictated by him/her/it directly to Muhammad.

The Jews believe that certain parts of their book is, again, the
direct word of God, handed down on tablets of stone.

I'm interested, who are you going to get to manage this project?

No need to rewrite. Just do what all denominations do: Offensive
passages are thought of as metaphorical or not actual commandments for
our time (only relevant to the times they were written in). Using this
method you can make the actual words say almost anything you want them
to say.

Stephen

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:06:39 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
Snipped...

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen

So, you are going to rewrite three holy books? I don't believe it's
gonna work.

First of all there are at least two versions of the Christian's holy
book and one of them used by a bunch that argues they were appointed
by the founder of the religion and another gang that insists that the
first lot is corrupt.

The Moslems believe that their book is the actual word of God.
Dictated by him/her/it directly to Muhammad.

The Jews believe that certain parts of their book is, again, the
direct word of God, handed down on tablets of stone.

I'm interested, who are you going to get to manage this project?

No need to rewrite. Just do what all denominations do: Offensive
passages are thought of as metaphorical or not actual commandments for
our time (only relevant to the times they were written in). Using this
method you can make the actual words say almost anything you want them
to say.

Stephen

Won't work. Absolutely for the Moslems who believe that, as I said,
the Koran is the actual word of God. The Jews have centuries of study
of The Law and probably won't accept an outsider interfering with
Their Law. The Christians? Well, maybe start a new sect?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:06:39 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:11:25 -0800, Stephen Trapani
wrote:
Snipped...

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen
So, you are going to rewrite three holy books? I don't believe it's
gonna work.

First of all there are at least two versions of the Christian's holy
book and one of them used by a bunch that argues they were appointed
by the founder of the religion and another gang that insists that the
first lot is corrupt.

The Moslems believe that their book is the actual word of God.
Dictated by him/her/it directly to Muhammad.

The Jews believe that certain parts of their book is, again, the
direct word of God, handed down on tablets of stone.

I'm interested, who are you going to get to manage this project?
No need to rewrite. Just do what all denominations do: Offensive
passages are thought of as metaphorical or not actual commandments for
our time (only relevant to the times they were written in). Using this
method you can make the actual words say almost anything you want them
to say.

Stephen

Won't work. Absolutely for the Moslems who believe that, as I said,
the Koran is the actual word of God. The Jews have centuries of study
of The Law and probably won't accept an outsider interfering with
Their Law.

You don't get it. There already are numerous Moslem and Jewish
denominations who already do it. The "extremists" take the violent and
aggressive parts seriously, the rest don't, etc. I'm not sure what you
don't understand. Israel itself is not based on the Talmud. They
specifically put rationality above the Talmud.

The Christians? Well, maybe start a new sect?

The Christians have no monopoly on sects. The Shia and Sunnis are both
Muslims and kill each other over their differences about what the Koran
says. Moderate Muslims also live in free societies without clashing with
the laws like extremists do. I'm not sure what you're not getting here.

Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote in news:Cegbl.21426
:

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in
some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen



I think my ideas are better. America simply EXTRICATES itself from
foreign entanglements and LEAVES EVERYONE ELSE ALONE!

The Taliban never attacked a single American. Hell, our CIA was the
reason, just like the Shah, they were in power in the first place.

I don't care if your country is ruled by a fire-breathing, 2-headed
dragon as long as he doesn't bother my country. That worked JUST FINE
for America until the Jews dragged us into European wars in the last
century.

"We can't do that" is nonsense. Let's see....take any non-warlord
country...hmmmm...Bahamas. Bahamas minds its own business, has no huge
military monster eating up its wealth, hands out no money to any other
country at its citizens' expense and not a single country on Earth
threatens Bahamas with war/terrorism/economic strangulation/etc.
Bahamas is not under any threat from Taliban, Islam, Jews, Buddists,
Iran, Saddam, Al Queda, North Korea, Communist China....noone. Why?
Because Bahamas minds its own business and threatens NOONE. Bahamas
doesn't take sides with every little conflict and doesn't FINANCE this
side or that side to make enemies with anyone. It's NEUTRAL, though
leans a bit towards the UK. What the hell would the USA do with all the
money it saved by NOT trying to be Israel's World Police Force?!

Yep, we should be exactly like Bahamas....NEUTRAL....selfishly
independent....

We wouldn't be the enemy of every despot on the planet worrying if he is
next for the CIA's death squads. We could travel and they'd say, "Oh,
you're from the Bahamas? You're OK in our book." Noone I can ever
remember burned a Bahamas flag in Effigy or threatened it. Bahamas is
everybody's friend!

Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:Cegbl.21426
:

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in
some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen



I think my ideas are better. America simply EXTRICATES itself from
foreign entanglements and LEAVES EVERYONE ELSE ALONE!


All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Larry wrote:
Stephen Trapani wrote in news:Cegbl.21426
:

When we see Israel and the US setting up a secular/democratic society,
were the vast majority of citizens subject their religious books to
rational criticism and reject the parts that are racist or wrong in
some
way, we shouldn't condemn those societies because they still follow
parts of those books, we should congratulate them for making progress
out of the dark ages and do everything we can to help them flourish,
especially when they are surrounded by extremists who want their own
version of the dark ages to return.

Stephen



I think my ideas are better. America simply EXTRICATES itself from
foreign entanglements and LEAVES EVERYONE ELSE ALONE!


All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Stephen


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