slide wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message


I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these
guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't
looking at the entire picture.


I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a
relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict.
However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel
with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's
false, since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on
their own, struggled for years, and finally became what we would call
middle class. There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and
have money... not as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly.


There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their
decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway
as two good candidates for neutrality.

The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe
themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency
between demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but
refusing it for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in
time, the Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the
Jew - which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home.

Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the
Jews would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the
Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival.

You claim to have some knowledge but seem to be woefully ignorant on
this point - more than 10% (14 of 120) of the Knesset members are Arab.
The current Minister of Science, Culture, and Sport is Arab, as well
as the current Deputy Knesset Speaker.

There have been Arabs in the Knesset since the first election in 1949.

If I
push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which
tends to be a discussion stopper.

Given that Hamas has vowed to exterminate them, it does seem like a
relevant comparison.


The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him
by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I
can't say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are
the victimizer.

By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can
make a case for exterminating the other.

But I've never heard Jews call for Arab extermination.

"jeff" wrote in message
...
slide wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message


I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these
guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't
looking at the entire picture.


I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a
relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict.
However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel
with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's false,
since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on their own,
struggled for years, and finally became what we would call middle class.
There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and have money... not
as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly.


There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their
decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway as
two good candidates for neutrality.

The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe
themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency between
demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but refusing it
for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in time, the
Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the Jew -
which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home.

Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the Jews
would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the
Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival.

You claim to have some knowledge but seem to be woefully ignorant on this
point - more than 10% (14 of 120) of the Knesset members are Arab. The
current Minister of Science, Culture, and Sport is Arab, as well as the
current Deputy Knesset Speaker.

There have been Arabs in the Knesset since the first election in 1949.

If I push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which
tends to be a discussion stopper.

Given that Hamas has vowed to exterminate them, it does seem like a
relevant comparison.


The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him
by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I can't
say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are the
victimizer.

By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can
make a case for exterminating the other.

But I've never heard Jews call for Arab extermination.


Well, there are always the facts. It trips up some people.

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