On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:48:08 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


Come on... Germany eliminated the ghetto.. liquidated it. You would be
hard-pressed to find even an extremist zionist to advocate that.

I originally used the word "similarities". You introduced the word
"comparable". Do I equate Israeli behavior with Nazi behavior? No. Do I
think Israeli treatment of the Palestinians is right? No.

Israel is a democratic society. As such, it is made of of a multitude of
views, including extremist.

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:35:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:37:15 -0600, said:

Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and other innocent civilians
are forced to live.

That certainly qualifies as the stupidest statement of the year to date.

What's stupid? That there are innocent civilians in Gaza, or that it is
a prison? It seems to fit this definition:

1. A place where persons are confined, or restrained of
personal liberty; hence, a place or state o? confinement,
restraint, or safe custody.
[1913 Webster]

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:00:33 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:35:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:37:15 -0600, said:

Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and other innocent civilians
are forced to live.

That certainly qualifies as the stupidest statement of the year to date.

What's stupid? That there are innocent civilians in Gaza, or that it is
a prison? It seems to fit this definition:

1. A place where persons are confined, or restrained of
personal liberty; hence, a place or state o? confinement,
restraint, or safe custody.
[1913 Webster]

Your use of that definition to apply to Gaza also means that the Earth
is a prison. After all, only a very few priveledged folks are allowed
to leave if they want to. The rest of us are confined to the Earth,
just like Gaza.

Steve

slide wrote:
Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message


I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these
guys. Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't
looking at the entire picture.


I agree... we're not looking at the entire picture. We need to be a
relatively unbiased broker if we want to help resolve the conflict.
However, your statement that all the people who immigrated to Israel
with sponsored by the wealthy is false. I know for a fact that's
false, since I have some very unwealthy friends who moved there on
their own, struggled for years, and finally became what we would call
middle class. There are Palestinian Israelis who own businesses and
have money... not as many as there are Jewish Israelis certainly.


There are many unbiased brokers but neither side will abide by their
decisions or even sit down with them. I can nominate Finland or Norway
as two good candidates for neutrality.

The problem is (I've spoken to many Israelis here) that the Jews believe
themselves to be a special case. They don't see any inconsistency
between demanding racial integration for the US or South Africa but
refusing it for Israel because it means 'national survival'. That is, in
time, the Arab would be more than 50% of the population and out vote the
Jew - which they welcome in South Africa but won't stand for at home.

Even before then, if the Arab could have members in the Knesset, the
Jews would have to deal them in for consideration in policy. Clearly the
Jews are utterly unwilling to do that - again national survival.

You claim to have some knowledge but seem to be woefully ignorant on
this point - more than 10% (14 of 120) of the Knesset members are Arab.
The current Minister of Science, Culture, and Sport is Arab, as well
as the current Deputy Knesset Speaker.

There have been Arabs in the Knesset since the first election in 1949.

If I
push it, then they throw the German Exterminations in my face which
tends to be a discussion stopper.

Given that Hamas has vowed to exterminate them, it does seem like a
relevant comparison.


The Arab is probably as bad in he feels like his home was taken from him
by greedy Jews backed by the evil USA & UK. How accurate is that? I
can't say but the Arab says they are victims and the Jews say they are
the victimizer.

By this time both sides have outraged the other so often that either can
make a case for exterminating the other.

But I've never heard Jews call for Arab extermination.

In article , Larry wrote:

The whole civil rights movement in the USA was started, funded and run,
not by blacks like Martin Luther King, but by JEWS, Communist Jews
trying to divide and conquer from within American Society. Zionism and
Communism have a long paper trail back into Czarist Russia, where
Zionist Jews pulled russia apart promoting Communism to bring Russia
under their control.....financial control, just like the good ol' USA.

[snip]

Well, never mind. Stick your heads back in the sand and let the
Zionists kick your stupid asses. You can't live where they live.
YOU'RE not good enough.

Jesus H Christ! WTF?! Gonna go get me a bucket of sand and stick my head
in it, I can't take any more of this!

I like Larry, he's told some good tales, and told them well, but this is
something else.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

In article , Bruce In Bangkok wrote:

I don't
follow M. East politics much but didn't the Israelis agree to
negotiate some sort of peace scheme with the Palestinians?

AIUI it fell apart just before Christmas with first wave of missiles
from the Palestinians.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:46:18 -0700, slide
wrote:

Capt. JG wrote:
"slide" wrote in message


Uh, the wall, the machine guns, the lack of any representation within the
Knesset - those are, if mentioned, just more Antisemitism.


Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be
resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and spews
anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right to do that,
but I have just as much right to call him on it.


I'm not Larry & I see no Zoinist plots here. What I do see is a society
which excludes due to race or religion and the refusal of the ruling
class to even discuss the matter.


Following is an interesting statement, from the Israeli point of view.
Please note that it dates from the time of the Sharon Government.

In less than two years, 720 Jews - equivalent in population terms to
39,600 Americans or 13 September 11s -have been murdered by Arab
terrorists.

Sort of gives some prospective to the whole problem doesn't it?

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:36:47 -0700, slide
wrote:

Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:13 -0700, slide


But there large numbers of Arabs living and working inside Israel.
Wasn't one of the big complaints about the "wall" that it was "hard to
get to work"?

They are essentially green card guest workers brought in to clean the
bathrooms of the ruling class Jews. They have no political power.

It's like colored guys in the US, 1920's. They were 10% of the
population but 0% of the political power structure.


Gee, thought they had the presidency?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:00:33 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:35:01 -0600, Dave wrote:

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 13:37:15 -0600, said:

Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and other innocent civilians
are forced to live.

That certainly qualifies as the stupidest statement of the year to date.

What's stupid? That there are innocent civilians in Gaza, or that it is
a prison? It seems to fit this definition:

1. A place where persons are confined, or restrained of
personal liberty; hence, a place or state o? confinement,
restraint, or safe custody.
[1913 Webster]


Are they innocent? they elected Hamus an openly terrorist organization
who advocate the forcible eradication of Israel.

Is that really innocent?
Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

"Capt. JG" wrote in
easolutions:

Not at all. Those should be up for discussion and should be, must be
resolved. The difference is that Larry cries Zionistist plots and
spews anti-Jewish statements whenever he pleases. He's got the right
to do that, but I have just as much right to call him on it.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com



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