"slide" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:


Ethnically pure? Ummm.... I don't think so. There are many non-Jews who
are Israeli citizens. They may not have as much of an impact as do the
ethnical Jews, but they are part of the politics. They've also
assimilated Ethiopians and other ethnic minorities.


Oh, please. They are, at best, second or third class citizens. How much
representation to they have in the Knesset?

Take your idiotic liberal pretensions somewhere else. No room for this
where reason exists.


But, they're not being executed because they're not Jewish. Take your
right-wing reactionary bs elsewhere. LOL

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"slide" wrote in message
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:31:13 -0700, slide


But there large numbers of Arabs living and working inside Israel.
Wasn't one of the big complaints about the "wall" that it was "hard to
get to work"?

They are essentially green card guest workers brought in to clean the
bathrooms of the ruling class Jews. They have no political power.

It's like colored guys in the US, 1920's. They were 10% of the population
but 0% of the political power structure.


And now one of them is soon to be our President! Shocking!

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"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

"Larry" wrote in message
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...121412669439.h
tml

trying to deliver much needed medical supplies to Gaza through the
Israeli
Blockade.....IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS.....nothing new for the Zionists:

http://www.gtr5.com/

Accident my ass......



Larry, obviously you don't have the "faith" that makes it ok for those
azzholes to do whatever they want. "Faith" is why the USG allows them a
huge Lobbist group and why the USG sends more aid money to them than the
rest combined while they sell our military secrets to the Chinese.



We also give nearly as much to Egypt, and we suck on the Saudi oil tit
directly with no intermediary. Do you know the rules for lobbists?

http://www.cleanupwashington.org/lob....cfm?pageid=39


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slide wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:


Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone.
Wouldn't think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the
other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.



The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically
clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their
argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black
takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to
SA) state.

Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no
precinct in the US be less than 51% white?

The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian
hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no
industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in
Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by
wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA.

What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing
for them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that
their payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare
life in some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering
across the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in.
They can't because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine
guns.

I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at
the entire picture.

Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular,
democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because
it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining
beacon of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason
radical Islam wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is
our duty to help defend it.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
news
slide wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:


Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't
think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the
other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.



The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically
clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their
argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black
takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA)
state.

Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no
precinct in the US be less than 51% white?

The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian
hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no
industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in
Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by
wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA.

What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for
them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their
payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in
some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across
the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't
because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns.

I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the
entire picture.

Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular,
democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because
it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon
of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam
wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help
defend it.

Stephen


Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the
appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with.

My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is
the "Jewish State," it is democratic, and as "free" as you can get, given
that there are things like a compulsary draft, it is certainly not perfect,
neither with the freedoms it embodies nor with its morality, but it's the
best one we've got in the neighborhood. Even Nixon agreed we needed to
defend it. But, it's like saying that one should defend one's mother, drunk
or sober. We need to be push Israel to do more for the Palestinians, just as
we must defend her against police states, such as Syria.


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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
news
slide wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:

Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't
think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the
other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.


The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically
clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their
argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black
takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA)
state.

Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no
precinct in the US be less than 51% white?

The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian
hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no
industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in
Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by
wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA.

What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for
them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their
payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in
some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across
the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't
because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns.

I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the
entire picture.
Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular,
democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because
it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon
of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam
wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help
defend it.

Stephen


Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the
appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with.

My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is
the "Jewish State,"

I was watching a program about the best commercials of the year and
there was a commercial from Israel with crazy dancing rabbis saying that
HD TV was so good you'd go to hell for watching it. That qualifies as
secular enough IMO.

Stephen

On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:09 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.


It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough.
They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a
terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp.


They're not comparable? Open your eyes. They are both walled in,
movement of civilians is strictly controlled, food, fuel, medicine,
strictly controlled. Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and
other innocent civilians are forced to live. No way around it, the
oppressed have become the oppressors.

wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 10:05:09 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:


I don't believe in Zionist plots, but it's difficult to ignore the
similarities between the Gaza strip, and the Warsaw Ghetto.

It's easy to find similarities to many things if you look close enough.
They are in no way comparable. It's a gross misstatement. Gaza is a
terrible place, but it's not a walled in concentration camp.


They're not comparable? Open your eyes. They are both walled in,
movement of civilians is strictly controlled, food, fuel, medicine,
strictly controlled. Gaza is a prison in which women, children, and
other innocent civilians are forced to live. No way around it, the
oppressed have become the oppressors.

The irony of your contention is that they are "walled in" by other Arab
societies as much as by Israel. Why not blame the others?

Stephen

Stephen Trapani wrote:

I was watching a program about the best commercials of the year and
there was a commercial from Israel with crazy dancing rabbis saying that
HD TV was so good you'd go to hell for watching it. That qualifies as
secular enough IMO.

Here it is!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcZHZN8f_v8


Stephen

In article , Steve wrote:

Israel's goal is to survive. All of their neighbors either are now or
have been in the recent past dedicated to Israel's destruction. Israel
is still around. So whatever they're doing is working and they should
keep doing it.

They're not doing anything worse than anyone else would do in their
situation. In fact, they've been showing great restraint compared to
what most would do in their situation.

Their enemies have lots of allies nearby, I think restraint is prudent.

Justin.

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