"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:


Though I can't disagree with anything you've said, I do think the
Israeli jews believe they will be slaughtered, or exiled from Israel
should they treat Palestinians like we in the U.S. treat Mexicans or
blacks. I'm not sure of that, but if were an Israeli I suspect I
would take that tack. Though we've been multicultural throughout our
history, there is plenty of opposition here in the U.S. to letting the
language aspect of multiculturalism bleed into everyday life. I get a
bit ****ed every time I'm asked to choose 1 or 2 on the phone. Wouldn't
think of moving to Mexico and conducting business on the
phone without speaking Spanish.
So I'm sure we agree on some things.
My support for the Palestinians dried up when Israel finally withdrew
from the occupied territories and I saw the result.
Not a damned thing changed. Blood lust. Not too different than the
other radical Muslims.
Except when I feel the lust myself - and I have - I take no sides.
These are just off the cuff remarks, and I may be wrong about much of
it, and since nobody pays for my opinions, that's what they're worth.
Nothing. But I do like to write them down now and then.
And hear others' opinions.



The reasoning you give for the Jews demanding an essentially ethnically
clean State is the one that Israelis living here have said to me. Their
argument is identical to the whites in South Africa before the black
takeover. They won't live in a non-Jewish (non white when it comes to SA)
state.

Why? Would those same Jews demand that no area, no voting district, no
precinct in the US be less than 51% white?

The problem, as I understand it, with the areas now in fully Palestinian
hands is that there are no ways to make a living there. There is no
industry. No capital. Nothing. Sure, many impoverished Jews showed up in
Israel during the past 60 years (or more) but they were sponsored by
wealthy Jews from other lands such as Britain and the USA.

What causes radical Muslims? Part of it must be that there is nothing for
them to lose in this world so they become easy to convince that their
payoff is in taking out a few Jews rather than living a welfare life in
some camp forever. Look at these guys as being Mexicans peering across
the border to a prosperous land they wish to enter & work in. They can't
because they are caged up, wall up and patrolled with machine guns.

I am NOT defending random tossing of missiles into Israel by these guys.
Not even close. I'm only saying that, IMO, US policy isn't looking at the
entire picture.

Part of the entire picture is that Israel has created a secular,
democratic, free society that is very attractive to many if only because
it is so rare in that area. Israel, while not perfect, is a shining beacon
of morality and opportunity and that is the biggest reason radical Islam
wants it destroyed. It is also the biggest reason it is our duty to help
defend it.

Stephen


Whew.. I don't usually agree with you, but your comments (taken with the
appropriately size grains of salt) I mostly agree with.

My editing... the society is mostly secular, but not completely, since it is
the "Jewish State," it is democratic, and as "free" as you can get, given
that there are things like a compulsary draft, it is certainly not perfect,
neither with the freedoms it embodies nor with its morality, but it's the
best one we've got in the neighborhood. Even Nixon agreed we needed to
defend it. But, it's like saying that one should defend one's mother, drunk
or sober. We need to be push Israel to do more for the Palestinians, just as
we must defend her against police states, such as Syria.


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