Chris Newport wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 12:15 pm in rec.boats.cruising Jeff Morris wrote:

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat problem.

Just plonk the troll into your killfile, he is terminally clueless.
The existance of a few bad small cats is enough to condemn all multihulls
in his tiny mind despite the existance of cats which are unconditionally
stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

the existance of cats which are unconditionally
stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.


in maritime parlance perhaps, but to the rest of the world it is referred to as
"bullsh*t". Only drivers of training wheels think otherwise.

On Sunday 23 May 2004 2:38 pm in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 12:15 pm in rec.boats.cruising Jeff Morris wrote:

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat
problem.

Just plonk the troll into your killfile, he is terminally clueless.
The existance of a few bad small cats is enough to condemn all multihulls
in his tiny mind despite the existance of cats which are unconditionally
stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

Only by those who fail to understand the designs involved.
There are, of course, some deliberate design choices such as
a relatively short mast and sails which are calibrated to offload
dangerously high forces before the craft is in danger.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

Only by those who fail to understand the designs involved.

such as design engineers?

unconditionally stable means stable without an condition contradicting it.

Catamarans are usually UNstable in conditions beyond about 30* of heel. In
fact, catamarans are most stable ONLY at zero degrees of heel. Each degree of
heel past zero takes less and less force to push the boat to the next degree of
heel. In addition, as the windward pontoon clears the water the wind force
heeling the boat *increases* due to the end plate effect of the leeward
pontoon.

Both are in dramatic difference to monohulls, which in cruising designs are
more resistent to heel as the boat tilts (up to about 60* generally of heel)
and in which the sail area exposed to the wind decreases.

Catamarans can be capsized by strong winds alone. Monos virtually always
require breaking waves to capsize.

There are, of course, some deliberate design choices such as
a relatively short mast and sails which are calibrated to offload
dangerously high forces before the craft is in danger.

Chris Newport wrote:

On Sunday 23 May 2004 2:38 pm in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 12:15 pm in rec.boats.cruising Jeff Morris wrote:

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat
problem.

Just plonk the troll into your killfile, he is terminally clueless.
The existance of a few bad small cats is enough to condemn all multihulls
in his tiny mind despite the existance of cats which are unconditionally
stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

Only by those who fail to understand the designs involved.
There are, of course, some deliberate design choices such as
a relatively short mast and sails which are calibrated to offload
dangerously high forces before the craft is in danger.

"Unconditional" is an absolute. No matter the design there
are always conditions such as in the ones you set up as
"deliberate design choices" (above).

On Monday 24 May 2004 5:36 am in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Sunday 23 May 2004 2:38 pm in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 12:15 pm in rec.boats.cruising Jeff Morris
wrote:

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat
problem.

Just plonk the troll into your killfile, he is terminally clueless.
The existance of a few bad small cats is enough to condemn all
multihulls in his tiny mind despite the existance of cats which are
unconditionally stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

Only by those who fail to understand the designs involved.
There are, of course, some deliberate design choices such as
a relatively short mast and sails which are calibrated to offload
dangerously high forces before the craft is in danger.

"Unconditional" is an absolute. No matter the design there
are always conditions such as in the ones you set up as
"deliberate design choices" (above).

Pedants R us.
The stability is unconditional for the yacht as designed (Wharram).

Changing the design obviously invalidates the stability.
The designs in question have, amongst other features, a short mast to
keep the centre of effort low, and special sails calibrated to
cut loose before critical loading can be reached.

The JaxIdiot will probably continue his rants, but bigotry is no
substitute for reality. Just keep him in your killfile.
Feeding the trolls is a bad idea.

The stability is unconditional for the yacht as designed

what a stupid thing to say, even for a two-huller bigot. no boat has stability
under all conditions. none.

Chris Newport wrote:

On Monday 24 May 2004 5:36 am in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Sunday 23 May 2004 2:38 pm in rec.boats.cruising Roy Jose Lorr wrote:



Chris Newport wrote:

On Thursday 20 May 2004 12:15 pm in rec.boats.cruising Jeff Morris
wrote:

Poor, poor jaxie. Your post reeks of jealousy.

You still haven't given even a single example of a cruising cat
problem.

Just plonk the troll into your killfile, he is terminally clueless.
The existance of a few bad small cats is enough to condemn all
multihulls in his tiny mind despite the existance of cats which are
unconditionally stable.

"Unconditionally stable" is a term recognized
in maritime parlance as hyperbole.

Only by those who fail to understand the designs involved.
There are, of course, some deliberate design choices such as
a relatively short mast and sails which are calibrated to offload
dangerously high forces before the craft is in danger.

"Unconditional" is an absolute. No matter the design there
are always conditions such as in the ones you set up as
"deliberate design choices" (above).

Pedants R us.
The stability is unconditional for the yacht as designed (Wharram).

Have it your way.



Feeding the trolls is a bad idea.

First I gotta figgr out watta troll.

Feeding the trolls is a bad idea.

First I gotta figgr out watta troll.



ah, the ignoramous chris was just saying that anyone who does does not agree
with his totally ill-informed opinions has to be a troll. Not an uncommon
thought for someone like chris who couldn't graduate third grade in three
tries.

Also understand that chris drives training wheels on the water because his
"wife is afraid of the water".

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
Feeding the trolls is a bad idea.

First I gotta figgr out watta troll.



ah, the ignoramous chris was just saying that anyone who does does not agree
with his totally ill-informed opinions has to be a troll. Not an uncommon
thought for someone like chris who couldn't graduate third grade in three
tries.

Also understand that chris drives training wheels on the water because his
"wife is afraid of the water".

Y'all still arguin 'bout this? Even I've lost interest.